The Covid19 thread

[Seeker]

Irony - doesn't it seem ironic that Ursula von der Leyen, a German lady, is berating Astra Zeneca for not supplying sufficient vaccines whilst Germany has 1.4 million doses of the AZ vaccine and cannot get people to take it?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/germany-co...112008376.html

Would it be adding insult to injury to ask for them back so we can speed up our vaccination drive further?

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Irony - doesn't it seem ironic that Ursula von der Leyen, a German lady, is berating Astra Zeneca for not supplying sufficient vaccines whilst Germany has 1.4 million doses of the AZ vaccine and cannot get people to take it?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/germany-co...112008376.html

Would it be adding insult to injury to ask for them back so we can speed up our vaccination drive further?

No it wouldn't.

[DJ123]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Irony - doesn't it seem ironic that Ursula von der Leyen, a German lady, is berating Astra Zeneca for not supplying sufficient vaccines whilst Germany has 1.4 million doses of the AZ vaccine and cannot get people to take it?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/germany-co...112008376.html

Would it be adding insult to injury to ask for them back so we can speed up our vaccination drive further?

The equivalent of asking someone sitting at a table alone in a Restaurant "excuse me, can i take this spare seat?"

[embee]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Irony - doesn't it seem ironic that Ursula von der Leyen, a German lady, is berating Astra Zeneca for not supplying sufficient vaccines whilst Germany has 1.4 million doses of the AZ vaccine and cannot get people to take it?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/germany-co...112008376.html

Would it be adding insult to injury to ask for them back so we can speed up our vaccination drive further?

The issue between the EU and AZ was down to AZ not fulfilling their contract, simple as that.
Not sure what you are trying to imply by using the term "ask for them back". Those doses are nothing whatsoever to do with the UK, not our business what Germany or any other EU country does with them. There are certainly problems with public attitudes to the AZ vaccine in some EU countries, their media and press are just as bad as the UK press when it comes to stirring up bigotry and xenophobia, nationalism and prejudice. There are strong right wing groups and anti-vax brigades in many countries ready to adopt whatever inflammatory propaganda the media cares to publish. Just ignore them, it doesn't matter what Germany does.

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by embee

Not sure what you are trying to imply by using the term "ask for them back".

humour only I am aware that the EU is upset (and suspicious) of AZ reducing shipments and that their vaccine stocks are nothing to do with the UK.

[svenrico]

'Just ignore them, it doesn't matter what Germany does.' That's what they said in the 1930's ! (just joking )

[svenrico]

'The issue between the EU and AZ was down to AZ not fulfilling their contract, simple as that.'
Previously when they were complaining in the EU about the UK getting preferential treatment on delivery of AZ vaccine ,it turned out the UK had ordered and paid for vaccines much earlier than EU.

[Grant66]

Originally Posted by svenrico

'The issue between the EU and AZ was down to AZ not fulfilling their contract, simple as that.'
Previously when they were complaining in the EU about the UK getting preferential treatment on delivery of AZ vaccine ,it turned out the UK had ordered and paid for vaccines much earlier than EU.

The UK signed the contract with AZ a day later than the EU signed theirs.

It all comes down to how well the contracts were drafted. Spoiler: the EU didn't do a very good job of writing theirs.

Better and more in-depth explanation:

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-...eca-contracts/







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[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by Grant66

The UK signed the contract with AZ a day later than the EU signed theirs.

It all comes down to how well the contracts were drafted. Spoiler: the EU didn't do a very good job of writing theirs.

Better and more in-depth explanation:

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-...eca-contracts/

Way back in April 2020 UK government set up a deal with AZ to be a partner and coughed up £65million to set up better research and production facilities. While the EU haggled over price ( as if the AZ vaccine isn't cheap enough already ) the UK put their money where their mouth was... The UK contract was much more comprehensive than the EU one because UK was a partner in the research and production of the vaccine, which in the results of Public Health Scotland real world data published less than a week ago was more effective ( 94% vs 85% ) than the Pfizer one at keeping people from needing hospital care.

Extract from the linked article

Most important, however, is that it meant that the British government was “effectively a major shareholder” in the jab’s development as early as April. After Oxford and AstraZeneca agreed to team up at the end of April, for example, the British government filled seats on Oxford-AstraZeneca joint liaison committees.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

Way back in April 2020 UK government set up a deal with AZ to be a partner and coughed up £65million to set up better research and production facilities. While the EU haggled over price ( as if the AZ vaccine isn't cheap enough already ) the UK put their money where their mouth was... The UK contract was much more comprehensive than the EU one because UK was a partner in the research and production of the vaccine, which in the results of Public Health Scotland real world data published less than a week ago was more effective ( 94% vs 85% ) than the Pfizer one at keeping people from needing hospital care.

Extract from the linked article

Most important, however, is that it meant that the British government was “effectively a major shareholder” in the jab’s development as early as April. After Oxford and AstraZeneca agreed to team up at the end of April, for example, the British government filled seats on Oxford-AstraZeneca joint liaison committees.

Sounds like credit where it is due then in this case.