The Covid19 thread

[Bibio]

how do we know that a vaccine is more effective than b vaccine? answer we dont.


or is it a case that the virus has already infected most of the population but they dont know they have had it as there are different symptoms for different people.


from the people i have spoke to who have had positive covid tests the main symptoms seem to be:
just headaches and a little nausea for a few days.
no taste or smell for x days, weeks, months.
full blown flu symptoms like pneumonia.
no symptoms.


the most common of the above are no taste or smell and no symptoms with very few actually getting the so called full flu like symptoms.


also households who only one member has contracted covid while the rest haven't and we are talking about adults who sleep together....


i'm not against vaccination, far from it as history tells us we have already eradicated the smallpox virus but that took years and years of testing and global vaccination that was proven to work.


if the vaccine works then why are vaccinated people still being told to wear face coverings and keep social distancing?

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by Bibio

how do we know that a vaccine is more effective than b vaccine? answer we dont.


or is it a case that the virus has already infected most of the population but they dont know they have had it as there are different symptoms for different people.


from the people i have spoke to who have had positive covid tests the main symptoms seem to be:
just headaches and a little nausea for a few days.
no taste or smell for x days, weeks, months.
full blown flu symptoms like pneumonia.
no symptoms.


the most common of the above are no taste or smell and no symptoms with very few actually getting the so called full flu like symptoms.


also households who only one member has contracted covid while the rest haven't and we are talking about adults who sleep together....


i'm not against vaccination, far from it as history tells us we have already eradicated the smallpox virus but that took years and years of testing and global vaccination that was proven to work.


if the vaccine works then why are vaccinated people still being told to wear face coverings and keep social distancing?

Because the vaccine doesn't start to take effect for 2 weeks for one thing.
From the people you have spoken to you won't have spoken to the people who have died from Covid !
Don't you think though that the sooner more people get vaccinated the sooner we can all get out and about in a 'more normal' way ?

[embee]

Originally Posted by svenrico

'The issue between the EU and AZ was down to AZ not fulfilling their contract, simple as that.'
Previously when they were complaining in the EU about the UK getting preferential treatment on delivery of AZ vaccine ,it turned out the UK had ordered and paid for vaccines much earlier than EU.

Yes, and the EU contract with AZ (published) specifically included a clause which required AZ to agree that no other contract would change/affect the EU terms as per their contract. If there was a third party contract which could affect the delivery schedule as agreed then it must be declared, and it wasn't. It would appear that AZ signed up to this despite having apparently agreed a preferential delivery to the UK.
The EU/AZ contract has been published, the UK/AZ contract has not.
The AZ/UK contract was fine if it specified preference, but it should have been declared by AZ.
The EU weren't really complaining about the UK getting preferential delivery, they were complaining that AZ were not fulfilling their contract.

[embee]

Originally Posted by Seeker

humour only I am aware that the EU is upset (and suspicious) of AZ reducing shipments and that their vaccine stocks are nothing to do with the UK.

Apologies, I missed the tongue in cheek. I see your drift.

[Grant66]

Originally Posted by embee

The EU/AZ contract has been published, the UK/AZ contract has not.

Not true, it was published around November 26th, long before the EU started making a fuss.
If you want to read it (https://www.contractsfinder.service....e-9999aecc753d)

Yes it's redacted, but so is the one the EU released.

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[Bri w]

Full trial data and subsequent efficacy in those inoculated in each of the vaccines is readily available. The MHRA approval data is also readily available, as is the adverse reaction data. Adverse reaction to the annual flu vaccine varies between 1% to 3%. Reaction to the Covid vaccines is currently running at less than 1%. Obviously long term reaction isn't yet known BUT we're talking about 4 months worth of data, that's all and we're 3 months into any possible obvious side effect without anything of note showing. And bare in mind, the vast majority of those vaccinated are a lot over 55. Any hysteria about it is just that, hysteria!!

Why are the EU saying the AZ vaccine isn't safe for over 55's? They're not. They are saying it wasn't tested to a level they are comfortable with. They're not wrong. The trial group didn't have enough over 55's in it. That doesn't mean its unsafe, only that the data to support its safe use isn't there. Personally, I think the EU are making a big show of it in an attempt to deflect away from the absolute balls-up they've made of acquiring and distributing the vaccine.

2.5 million dead, not counting those in the developing nations that don't record exact cause of death. Countless thousands with long Covid symptoms who will die early because of the virus.

I'll happily have the vaccine when offered.

[SV650rules]

This makes uncomfortable reading that where a virus mutates a lot ( as coronvirus do ) rather than never mutate ( like smallpox and polio ) that vaccination can cause problems by enabling people with very dangerous killer strains to survive and pass the deadly strains on to others...

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002198

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

This makes uncomfortable reading that where a virus mutates a lot ( as coronvirus do ) rather than never mutate ( like smallpox and polio ) that vaccination can cause problems by enabling people with very dangerous killer strains to survive and pass the deadly strains on to others...

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002198

This has been going on since forever. At least a third of the population has MRSA. Not too much of a problem for healthy people but a potential killer in someone who is sick or old and infirm.

The alternative is to not vaccinate and let even more people die. Or, just like the annual flu booster, produce a new vaccine every year using the previous year's as a base.

[DJ123]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

This makes uncomfortable reading that where a virus mutates a lot ( as coronvirus do ) rather than never mutate ( like smallpox and polio ) that vaccination can cause problems by enabling people with very dangerous killer strains to survive and pass the deadly strains on to others...

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002198

It's the downside of a Vaccine vs a Virus which is able to mutate. You essentially make the Virus stronger, and create a super strain.

[Kenzie]

Ignore me, wrong thread