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Old 17-01-19, 03:59 PM   #211
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Labour is compete mess, have made themselves irrelevant and you would have to have rocks in your head to vote for them..
you use a lot of insults. Rocks in head, stupid Corbyn, etc etc.

It doesn't strengthen your arguments. Quite the opposite.
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Old 17-01-19, 04:02 PM   #212
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you would have to have rocks in your head to vote for them..
that would be me then. I'm so sick of tories, their austerity, their privatisation fetish and their loathing of the poor. On the plus side...wait, I'm thinking...nope, got nothing.
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Old 17-01-19, 04:59 PM   #213
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you use a lot of insults. Rocks in head, stupid Corbyn, etc etc.

It doesn't strengthen your arguments. Quite the opposite.
Labour have added nothing to the brexit debate except political point scoring and mischief - they keep threatening to renage on election manifesto promise to respect the vote that a lot of their supporters voted for - they contradict themselves every time they open their mouths, as I said a complete mess just making mischief instead of concentrating on getting best possible result for UK.
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Old 17-01-19, 05:53 PM   #214
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they contradict themselves every time they open their mouths,

They are the party whose leader has consistently stuck to the manifesto message.

Would you still need rocks in your head if they got in to a position where they are the only party pressing for no deal to be ruled out and a second referendum?




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Old 17-01-19, 06:05 PM   #215
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Would you still need rocks in your head if they got in to a position where they are the only party pressing for no deal to be ruled out and a second referendum?
Or would that be rocks in your house? via the window?
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Old 17-01-19, 06:51 PM   #216
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It is not in government power to promise no deal, a second referendum would destroy democracy and reopen Scottish refererendumb debate. Corbyn will talk to all kinds of terrorists and obnoxious people but will not talk to leader of HM government -what a pr4tt
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Old 17-01-19, 07:09 PM   #217
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a second referendum would destroy democracy
people change their mind all the time, if they didn't we would have the same government in perpetuity. We have more facts now than when we voted before, I'd like to say more educated but that's a stretch.

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reopen Scottish refererendumb debate
too late; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-46905024

Isn't independence in SNP's manifesto anyway. It was never a matter of "if" another Scottish independence referendum, it was "when". Leave or remain makes no difference.

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Corbyn will talk to all kinds of terrorists and obnoxious people but will not talk to leader of HM government
If the PM has already said she won't take her red lines off the table, what is there to talk about? Surely she should have started talking to people 2 years ago not with her deal rejected and 70 days remaining. This is a Conservative generated problem and she will either become flexible or we leave with no deal.
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Old 17-01-19, 07:30 PM   #218
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A General election every five years, or council elections is no way comparable to holding a second referendum.

A second indyref is not on the cards, but it will be if we get a rerun of brexitref, it will give SNP all the ammunition it needs, that is why no UK government can agree to a second ref on brexit.
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Old 17-01-19, 09:51 PM   #219
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It is not in government power to promise no deal
Wrong.
This is the one thing the government absolutely can promise.
They can unilaterally revoke A50 at any time.

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a second referendum would destroy democracy and reopen Scottish refererendumb debate.
Two votes is more democracy than one vote.

Scottish Indyref debate has never closed.
North of the border the Brexit debate is largely viewed from the perspective of how it will affect Scottish independence.

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Corbyn will talk to all kinds of terrorists and obnoxious people
So did Thatcher, the only difference being that Corbyn was open and honest about it and Thatcher did it in secret and lied about it afterwards.
She was also good chums with a really nasty fascist scumbag called Pinochet.
You might want to read up on him.
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Without throwing brick-bats, I think Corbyn has shot himself in the foot with his stance on not joining in with discussions. Whether May does or does not take anything off the table, and as said in her letter neither she nor the government can stop no-deal, only parliament can do that, discussion really is the only way forward from where we are now. Whatever May comes up with in the next few days or next couple of weeks, parliament will have to approve what we go with so Corbyn's red lines are completely irrelevant.
We are in binary choice territory. Either we come up with a proposal or we don't. No proposal means either no-deal exit or revoke art50, that's it. A proposal means maybe the EU will consider an extension of art50 to allow enough time to pass it through parliament and agree it with the other 27. That's a big ask by anyone's standards but it's the only real alternative option, and it would have to be an almost foregone conclusion before the EU would agree to it.
I'm still not sure what the majority opinion of the Brexit voters is. Whatever outcome we end up with, I suspect the majority of the UK population will not be happy.
On balance of probability, I suspect we will leave with no-deal. If we revoked art50 the UK would have lost all international credibility and possibly risk civil unrest at home. I know it's only my opinion, but this is a case of the worst outcome being the only viable one. One thing we can be sure of is that whatever the outcome it will be blamed on the EU.
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