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embee · 15-01-17, 02:57 PM

Agree with LPH. I'm not veggie or vegan, but I eat very little meat, and that's often only when I'm invited out to friends' places for meals. I also agree about pigs, easily as intelligent as a lot of dogs, sadly mistreated.

I do try to make it a balanced diet with the essential things, and in our society that's pretty easy. If in doubt eat veg, can't go far wrong. Nothing I like more than a good veggie pasta bake. If you also eat eggs and cheese that makes things easy, plus if you don't mind eating fish occasionally, even better.

Also to keep at my fighting weight (!) I simply change the portion size, it's easy to do. I usually weigh out stuff like pasta so just reduce it by 5-10% or so and you don't even notice, but overall can easily trim a couple of hundred cals a day off your diet. Once you get used to that size reduce it another 5-10%.

I agree we are omnivores, but we probably didn't eat a lot of meat originally, plus we only lived to 30 or 40 at best so didn't have a chance to develop the conditions and ailments we now suffer from in later life.

Good luck with the diet.

SV650rules · 15-01-17, 03:07 PM

Generally we eat way too much animal protein as we only need a few ounces a day. Trouble is with vegetable protein is it is lacking in some vital amino acids, the most complete one is Soya, but even that is lacking in some vital stuff, and soya also contains phyto-oestrogen which is an active female hormone that can have bad effects if you are a bloke. People associate eating of plenty of meat as a good lifestyle and a show of wealth, but it can be a lifestyle that kills you, eat a bit of everything and not too much of any one thing and you will be OK.

I would say pigs are more intelligent than dogs and also more brainpower than some people I have met, and better hygiene and manners.

Red ones · 15-01-17, 03:39 PM

In Defence of Food by Michael Pollan is a fantastic book on this. It's not a pro vegan lifestyle book, not even pro vegan, but is a great review of our food and attitudes to it.

Eat little, mostly vegetables. Eat only food your grandmother would recognise and nothing that doesn't rot.

Heorot · 15-01-17, 06:10 PM

Quinoa has all the vitamins you need. Unfortunately it's not particularly appetising or cheap.

littleoldman2 · 15-01-17, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SV650rules

I would say pigs are more intelligent than dogs and also more brainpower than some people I have met, and better hygiene and manners.

Unfortunately if folk didn't eat them then they would be cleared from the land in order to grow vegetables and therefore would have no life at all. Sad but true.

SV650rules · 16-01-17, 09:56 AM

That is true, also pigs gobble stuff down that would otherwise find its way into landfill, so pigs are good for the environment as well as tasting good.

Anything that can turn rubbish into a bacon sandwich has to be encouraged and looked after.

Trev B · 16-01-17, 10:55 AM

Once heard a Jewish guy on the radio asked what would be his last meal and his reply was" a bacon sandwich,I have loved the smell of them all my life and never tried one,so if it's my last meal,why not" !!!

dizzyblonde · 17-01-17, 03:56 PM

I was vegetarian for many years, and as we have a self appointed six year old vegetarian, as well as Pegasus bordering in inclination, we don't tend to eat much meat.

I'll hazard a warning, don't join vegan Facebook groups or pages. Staunch vegans can be a particularly judgemental, callous bunch who will gang up and tear you to shreds if you don't fit their criteria. They can be extremely fanatical. Horrible lot in large quantities. I've known a few keep their veganism private, for fear of repercussions from their fellow followers!!
Also, fake stuff. Fakeon bacon etc. Be aware that it can be very fattening and bad for you . If you're going to change to a less meaty lifestyle, do it with actual food, and not some derivative made in a lab to substitute your taste for meat

Red ones · 17-01-17, 04:15 PM

Quorn. Invention of the devil and poisonous (at least to me - it's a guaranteed day of vomiting if I have the devil food)

SV650rules · 17-01-17, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Red ones

Quorn. Invention of the devil and poisonous (at least to me - it's a guaranteed day of vomiting if I have the devil food)

Yup, most man made substitutes are worse for you than the real thing - as for fake bacon WTF ? Artificial sweeteners can do you harm as well, as they fool your body, just stick to the proper stuff and eat less of it.

One of my nieces was a committed vegetarian when she was about 7 or 8, (one of her many phases) we didn't know and had a barbecue with no vegie stuff in sight except salad, we convinced her that it was vegetarian chicken and she ate it, don't know how long her vegie phase lasted but next time we had a barbecue she tucked in just like everyone else.

15-01-17, 02:57 PM	#11
embee Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,801	Re: Veganism Agree with LPH. I'm not veggie or vegan, but I eat very little meat, and that's often only when I'm invited out to friends' places for meals. I also agree about pigs, easily as intelligent as a lot of dogs, sadly mistreated. I do try to make it a balanced diet with the essential things, and in our society that's pretty easy. If in doubt eat veg, can't go far wrong. Nothing I like more than a good veggie pasta bake. If you also eat eggs and cheese that makes things easy, plus if you don't mind eating fish occasionally, even better. Also to keep at my fighting weight (!) I simply change the portion size, it's easy to do. I usually weigh out stuff like pasta so just reduce it by 5-10% or so and you don't even notice, but overall can easily trim a couple of hundred cals a day off your diet. Once you get used to that size reduce it another 5-10%. I agree we are omnivores, but we probably didn't eat a lot of meat originally, plus we only lived to 30 or 40 at best so didn't have a chance to develop the conditions and ailments we now suffer from in later life. Good luck with the diet. __________________ "Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity"

15-01-17, 03:07 PM	#12
SV650rules Member Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Shropshire UK Posts: 1,363	Re: Veganism Generally we eat way too much animal protein as we only need a few ounces a day. Trouble is with vegetable protein is it is lacking in some vital amino acids, the most complete one is Soya, but even that is lacking in some vital stuff, and soya also contains phyto-oestrogen which is an active female hormone that can have bad effects if you are a bloke. People associate eating of plenty of meat as a good lifestyle and a show of wealth, but it can be a lifestyle that kills you, eat a bit of everything and not too much of any one thing and you will be OK. I would say pigs are more intelligent than dogs and also more brainpower than some people I have met, and better hygiene and manners. __________________ 2016 SV650 AL7 Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear - Mark Twain Last edited by SV650rules; 15-01-17 at 03:55 PM.

15-01-17, 03:39 PM	#13
Red ones Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 1,422	Re: Veganism In Defence of Food by Michael Pollan is a fantastic book on this. It's not a pro vegan lifestyle book, not even pro vegan, but is a great review of our food and attitudes to it. Eat little, mostly vegetables. Eat only food your grandmother would recognise and nothing that doesn't rot.

15-01-17, 06:10 PM	#14
Heorot Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: South Norfolk Posts: 341	Re: Veganism Quinoa has all the vitamins you need. Unfortunately it's not particularly appetising or cheap. __________________ Some say the cup is half empty, while others say it is half full. However, both are wrong; the real problem is the cup is too big. Honda 125 CG blown engine Gone to the great mechanic in the sky Naked SV650 K3 in Silver

16-01-17, 09:56 AM	#16
SV650rules Member Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Shropshire UK Posts: 1,363	Re: Veganism That is true, also pigs gobble stuff down that would otherwise find its way into landfill, so pigs are good for the environment as well as tasting good. Anything that can turn rubbish into a bacon sandwich has to be encouraged and looked after. __________________ 2016 SV650 AL7 Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear - Mark Twain Last edited by SV650rules; 17-01-17 at 08:55 AM.

16-01-17, 10:55 AM	#17
Trev B Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 283	Re: Veganism Once heard a Jewish guy on the radio asked what would be his last meal and his reply was" a bacon sandwich,I have loved the smell of them all my life and never tried one,so if it's my last meal,why not" !!! __________________ Somewhere up north,Never regret something that once made you smile!!!

17-01-17, 03:56 PM	#18
dizzyblonde Da Cake Boss Mega Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a flying Horse Posts: 9,992	Re: Veganism I was vegetarian for many years, and as we have a self appointed six year old vegetarian, as well as Pegasus bordering in inclination, we don't tend to eat much meat. I'll hazard a warning, don't join vegan Facebook groups or pages. Staunch vegans can be a particularly judgemental, callous bunch who will gang up and tear you to shreds if you don't fit their criteria. They can be extremely fanatical. Horrible lot in large quantities. I've known a few keep their veganism private, for fear of repercussions from their fellow followers!! Also, fake stuff. Fakeon bacon etc. Be aware that it can be very fattening and bad for you . If you're going to change to a less meaty lifestyle, do it with actual food, and not some derivative made in a lab to substitute your taste for meat __________________ Suzy, yellow 2001 SVS. Kitty, V-Raptor 1000, ZZR1400<<its my bike now Pegasus! Hovis 13.8.75-3.10.09 Reeder 20.7.88-21.3.12 Last edited by dizzyblonde; 17-01-17 at 03:59 PM.

17-01-17, 04:15 PM	#19
Red ones Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 1,422	Re: Veganism Quorn. Invention of the devil and poisonous (at least to me - it's a guaranteed day of vomiting if I have the devil food)