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A discussion brewed up on the SOTD thread about electric vehicles, so I started this thread to move the discussion here.
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He's probably referring to lack of charging points.
I.e. you only have on-street parking and the charging point nearby has been in use since Monday because Doris from 3 doors down might need to pick up a prescription next week. Sent from an S20 using Tapatalk with that kin cr4p blocked
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I don't think the impact and cost of the infrastructure needed should be underestimated. Hotels and service stations aside, the draw a car charger port takes is massive - if every house hold did it (over night) I don't think the grid could keep up...I also wonder if the street cabling could take it! My main concern is the fact that I don't think battery technology is quite there (hopefully would be soon?!). We've gone from burning fossil fuels to mining lithium (also finite) and burning fossil fuels to charge the lithium. I've not looked at how much lithium goes in a battery and how long a battery last etc but I'm hoping someone's done the sums! I'm somewhat sceptical 10 years is enough to do all of the above. Aware I now sound like a whackjob conspiracy theorist after my oil monkey joke..
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If electric bikes were cheaper and had a bit better range I'd go for one. Some cars have the range but are still too expensive for me to justify with the few miles I drive. One comment I saw was that electric cars are no more expensive than petrol over the long term. This may well be true but I have never bought a vehicle based on how much it will cost long term - the deciding factor has always been the upfront cost.
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There is no doubt Tesla leads the way in mass market battery technology but others are catching up. If the 'glass battery' can be proved and produced in volume, it will change everything. UK energy mix is heavily reliant on fossil fuels, but not as heavily as people think. The UK has not burned any significant coal to generate electricity since February and that's a good thing as coal is the dirtiest and least efficient fuel. Wind and Solar now account for the majority of power in low demand periods. The government's Green Strategy announced yesterday will direct a lot of investment into getting the green power up towards 100%. A usefule link to see how we are doing. https://gridwatch.co.uk/ |
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There was the same problem with petrol cars when they first came about. No garages / fuel available in certain areas. There were similar expeditions to try to prove that petrol travel was possible over distance as are happening now with electric.
Some interesting discussion on it in one of Teapotone's podcasts...
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I've got one of these in my garage. Range is very limited.
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Not just grid supply, I was thinking if every house hold quadruples their draw and does it at once, when they get home at 7pm the street wiring might not be up to it . Quote:
I think it would be cost prohibitive for a lot of people too. I'm not saying anyone can buy a Tesla in the first place, but at £5k for a battery every 8 years, buying a second hand one is not an option for a lot of people with the curent tech. I bought my car for about that 11 years ago, it's done 200k - I've literally bought nothing other than tyres, springs, bushes and pads & disks for it - not even a clutch which would be a few hundred...but it's not thousands. Unless of course I'd save 5k on fuel! That said I'm optimistic batteries will improve enough in the next few years, I was more concerned about infra. Quote:
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Edit: sorry I read that as 8 year life expectancy rather than warranty. Have they revised that, I was under the impression they only lasted 5-10 years. + If the link you posted is right it probably would save me about that much on fuel.
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If there is a risk of derailing the Smile thread, I'll open a new one and move these posts. What do people think? |
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