The Org Scottish Referendum

[Bibio]

we would make a fine couple, would feel sorry for the kids though.. lol

Originally Posted by TamSV

I hate to say it...but I've actually had worse

I would class that as a win.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Bibio

kids will be kids just because you had a bad experience as a child, has it made you bitter to the Scottish population?
your not the only one m8 i spent 4 years in Rhodesia and South Africa before moving back to Scotland when i was 6 so can you imagine what it was like for me living in the centre of Edinburgh with a very very good tan, talking and looking like a 'nigger' but with blond hair, lets just say i learnt to fight very very quickly. am i bitter about it? no.

Ahhhhh same for wee Pegged leg. Born in London, raised in Cyprus. Educated in Scotland the hard way. Couldn't speak a word of English at 6. Funny Greek, tanned boy. Mistaken for being a Pakistani and having the crap beaten out of him regularly. Fought a lot with fists of fury. Madeth him the man that he is today. Eee Scotland in the 70s was a hard place to be!

Now mistaken for a West Coaster.
He loves Scotland

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

Ahhhhh same for wee Pegged leg. Born in London, raised in Cyprus. Educated in Scotland the hard way. Couldn't speak a word of English at 6. Funny Greek, tanned boy. Mistaken for being a Pakistani and having the crap beaten out of him regularly. Fought a lot with fists of fury. Madeth him the man that he is today. Eee Scotland in the 70s was a hard place to be!

Now mistaken for a West Coaster.
He loves Scotland

Did he have any such problems in London or Cyprus?

I love Scotland too, but it is an unfortunate fact that racism and bigotry are still rife, particularly in less affluent areas. It's a problem that Scotland needs to admit to, face up to, and deal with.

If you get independence, for gods sakes get rid of Salmond and Sturgeon the first chance you get.

They know the majority of the population don't understand economics, or the rules of EU membership, or the way the private companies that tap Oil, Gas and Wind make money, or the way countries like Norway operate.

They know this and they know that they can say whatever they want, and publish whatever propaganda they want, and so long as it sounds reasonable to the layman in the street, it will be believed, even if it isn't true.

They know this, and they are deliberately misleading the people of Scotland.

Deliberately misleading my countrymen, and because I live in England I don't get a vote on it, even though I'd be entitled to apply for Scottish citizenship if it happens. That was another deliberate move by the SNP to keep the vote within the demographic where they were most likely to win, and to keep the administration costs down by using the existing electoral role.

I'm not against an independent Scotland per se, but the way those two are going about it boils my p!55!

[pegasus]

Originally Posted by Fordward

Did he have any such problems in London or Cyprus?

I love Scotland too, but it is an unfortunate fact that racism and bigotry are still rife, particularly in less affluent areas. It's a problem that Scotland needs to admit to, face up to, and deal with.

The 70's in Scotland were a time of cultural change, I was different in looks and ethnicity in a place that didn't know how to accept different cultures, nowadays it's a different ballgame, Scotland is so cultured and diverse, I would recommend it to anyone.

London has always been multi cultural, so I never had an issue with racism there, just the occasional "sweaty sock" thing because of my accent.
Cyprus I am,alway treated like a long lost son, love and respect in abundance.

I hope this answers your questions.

Originally Posted by pegasus

The 70's in Scotland were a time of cultural change, I was different in looks and ethnicity in a place that didn't know how to accept different cultures, nowadays it's a different ballgame, Scotland is so cultured and diverse, I would recommend it to anyone.

London has always been multi cultural, so I never had an issue with racism there, just the occasional "sweaty sock" thing because of my accent.
Cyprus I am,alway treated like a long lost son, love and respect in abundance.

I hope this answers your questions.

It does answer the question, and while I agree that some areas of Scotland are cultured and diverse, there are many others, which most certainly are not. It's easy to see the good side when your there on your holidays, and of course touristy areas are always going to be diverse. I can't speak as a resident for the last 5 years, but prior to that I lived in Scotland. My wife wasn't welcome in our village pub because she was Catholic. The local shop was run by "that curry stinking, cheating, paki". Lots of people on this thread have said they've experienced anti-English sentiment on visits to Scotland. Some of the anti-English crap that's been shared on Facebook during this past few weeks is shocking. There is still violence every time Herts play Hibs, or rangers play Celtic (though I admit football can cause violence anywhere, it's in Scotland where the issue behind it is differing religion).

Yet, it gets mentioned on forums and people have a tendency to deny the problem exists, and say it's no worse than anywhere else. Well go live in a less affluent area with no tourists, and it is worse.

Until people recognise there's a problem, they can't deal with it.

Originally Posted by Fordward

I'm not against an independent Scotland per se, but the way those two are going about it boils my p!55!

Some of stuff I have read simply is cloud cuckoo land.
But it is what it is. And hope for the best. So there we go.

I can go on but it won't change anything

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Fordward

Did he have any such problems in London or Cyprus?

I love Scotland too, but it is an unfortunate fact that racism and bigotry are still rife, particularly in less affluent areas. It's a problem that Scotland needs to admit to, face up to, and deal with.

He personally maybe be treat like King Petros of Cyprus, however as a collective those who are first, second third generation Cypriots born in other countries because of being in the Diaspora are called 'Charlies' by those who have never left the island because of all the troubles. I know this as I read Cypriot forums and group pages, and this is quite clear for all to see. Although there maybe leniency towards them, for example when searching for work, over other foreigners, but that's just it, foreign born Cypriots aren't foreigners!
I suppose it's like a Scotsman having resided elsewhere other than his homeland.
Happens everywhere. Not restricted to Scotland.
Anyway, slightly derailing away from the subject....

[TamSV]

Originally Posted by The Basket

Some of stuff I have read simply is cloud cuckoo land.

But it is what it is. And hope for the best. So there we go.



I can go on but it won't change anything

The level of "debate" has been pretty depressing all round. The politicians have been bad enough but they're disingenuous for a living. The general public are shocking.

So much negativity on both sides. Loads of chippy jocks moaning about the evil English government on one side and a desperately negative view of Scotland on the other. I'm tempted to abstain in despair.

Thank god I'm not on Facebook. A pal had a comment on his page from someone who said she was voting no because she didn't want to live in Alex Salmonds Catholic state. WTF?