Electric Vehicles

[Luckypants]

When low carbon electricity is used, the life time emissions of an EV are less than half that of the ICE version. As UK electricity has a lower carbon footprint than the EU average, EV emissions are much lower over its lifetime.

[embee]

You have to be careful selecting which method of electricity generation you assume for powering the vehicles.
I've seen figures using the UK "average" CO2 output for electricity generation, somewhere round 250gCO2eq/kWh seems to be used.
However this implies that additional or marginal demand will be at this rate, whereas any marginal additional demand will come from gas (assuming all green/zero power is used in base load).
When you plug your car in to charge, they don't go and start up another wind turbine, they turn up the gas in a power station. Gas fired power stations run at around 550gCO2eq/kWh, or getting on for 2.5 times the average. The average is also only as low as it is because we import nuclear electricity from the continent, and the worst offender is burning wood pellets (Drax) which are shipped from north America and are counted as zero CO2 for the UK, whereas it is actually worse CO2 emissions than coal (a fiddle).
I have nothing against EVs, great solution for the right situation, but be wary of propagandist statistics.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by embee

UK[/B][/I],
I have nothing against EVs, great solution for the right situation, but be wary of propagandist statistics.

Quite right .

[Bibio]

when is the deadline for no more fuel cars?

[DJ123]

currently it is 2030 (UK) but Germany & Italy are both pushing to extend this if ICE can run on Synthetic fuels, and massively reduce emissions by 70-90%.

[Bibio]

looks like the big burger place is ahead of everyone. most are planned for charging point installation. looking at charge point maps is how i feared this would cause a trend, most are either ta retail parks, pay to park car parks or eatery's. so slow charge and the urge to spend money seems widespread. i thought we were supposed to be saving the planet not buying more tat or getting fat. the pay at car parks is just taking the pizz.

[DJ123]

Or maybe they being installed there as it's places people spend at least an hour. Which is enough time to get some decent charge in a battery.

[Luckypants]

Horses for courses. It works for McD's to have rapid charges at their drive throughs. Some folks like to get McD's and being able to get a charge is a bonus. It just happens that the time to scoff a burger is about the time needed to get a decent charge. win-win. 7kW chargers at shopping centres makes sense, no one is going to go there for a charge at those speeds, but its useful to get a charge while doing something else - it means no worries about using the car all weekend. Similar with pay to park car parks, I'll go to one if I need to and if there is a charger I may make use of it depending on my state of charge, cost of charge, how long I'm staying etc.

For long trips, it is still rapid chargers by the roadside, at services that people want and need. This is where public charging is really needed.

[Adam Ef]

It's always been similar .... supermarkets all tend to have petrol stations.

[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by DJ123

currently it is 2030 (UK) but Germany & Italy are both pushing to extend this if ICE can run on Synthetic fuels, and massively reduce emissions by 70-90%.

Depends what the synthetic fuels are made from, if they are like ethanol which causes far more emissions and environmental damage than oil does, then they can keep them. There are a lot of smoke an mirrors about this environmental stuff, like washing all the stuff you put in recycling bin can use more energy than is saved by recycling...