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Old 25-06-18, 08:50 AM   #1331
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You should put the reservoir in the seat cushion then, with each bump, you'll lube the chain
With the roads here in Cambs I'd make an oil-slick!
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Old 25-06-18, 01:12 PM   #1332
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Great explanation there, Bibio. Do you have a dual-nozzle oiler, i.e. it oils both sides of the chain?

This is a stupid question but it's puzzled me for a while: how do the single-nozzle versions work with o-ring chains? How does the lube get from the nozzle side of the chain to the other, when the o-rings stop the oil getting into the pins & rollers?
no i dont have a dual nozzle fitted.

an o'ring chain is "sealed for life" with grease on the link pins. no amount of spraying lube or oil will usually pass the o'rings, you dont want it to as it will "wash out" the thick grease and replace with thin oil.

the absolute worst thing you can do is jet wash a chain as it forces water past the o'rings and removes the grease. if your going to clean a chain then use some paraffin on a rag and wipe the chain, if you are really anal and want to clean between the plates then use a soft brush and some oil.

when you oil an o'ring chain your just lubing the rollers between the plates to stop wear/friction between the rollers and sprocket faces. this is why a single feed from a Scottoiler works just fine as long as you place the output nozzle 1-2mm away on the face of the sprocket as high up away from the chain as you can get it. centrifugal forces then push the oil on the face of the sprocket outwards and onto the rollers/sprocket teeth. the reason people end up with oil everywhere using a Scottoiler is that they try to drip feed the oil as close as possible to the chain and have their drip rate set too high. you dont want to oil the o'ring.
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Old 25-06-18, 07:39 PM   #1333
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when you oil an o'ring chain your just lubing the rollers between the plates to stop wear/friction between the rollers and sprocket faces. this is why a single feed from a Scottoiler works just fine as long as you place the output nozzle 1-2mm away on the face of the sprocket as high up away from the chain as you can get it.

centrifugal forces then push the oil on the face of the sprocket outwards and onto the rollers/sprocket teeth. the reason people end up with oil everywhere using a Scottoiler is that they try to drip feed the oil as close as possible to the chain and have their drip rate set too high. you dont want to oil the o'ring.
Ah, fair enough. I guess a small amount of the oil will eventually find its way to the o-rings and help to stop them drying out and tearing.
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Old 25-06-18, 07:51 PM   #1334
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Ah, fair enough. I guess a small amount of the oil will eventually find its way to the o-rings and help to stop them drying out and tearing.
a small amount of oil? lol you've never had a scottoiler have you




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Old 25-06-18, 08:43 PM   #1335
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Bahahahahaha!
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Old 25-06-18, 10:49 PM   #1336
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Ah, fair enough. I guess a small amount of the oil will eventually find its way to the o-rings and help to stop them drying out and tearing.
yes, but if the o'rings are drying out and tearing then your cleaning your chain too often.

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Old 26-06-18, 09:51 AM   #1337
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a small amount of oil? lol you've never had a scottoiler have you




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I thought that was Bibio using a pressure washer

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Old 26-06-18, 08:21 PM   #1338
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Replaced a leaking coolant clamp. Managed to do it through the frame without taking the bike apart. My fingers hurt now







It had made a mess of my engine and when I cleaned it off the coolant had bubbled up some of the paint

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Old 26-06-18, 09:58 PM   #1339
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My newly acquired 2008 Zafira. Fitted a new handle and microswitch to the tailgate, so I can now open it from outside! Repaired the rear washer. Had to make a new spigot with a piece of the black Scottoiler feed pipe to super glue into the back of the small jet unit. Sleeved some more of the larger diameter Scottoiler pipe onto the existing water feed as the original was disconnected and too short to rejoin. New number plate caphead bulb fitted. All surfaces inside the tailgate and threads treated with ACF50/GT85/spray grease/Silicone lubricant as and where appropriate.

I hate working on cars but that was a satisfying morning of work!
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Old 27-06-18, 09:46 PM   #1340
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not so much a tinkered but ordered two new springs for the Nitron shock. i eventually found out that the spring rate on nitron springs are the last numbers and are in lb. after doing a bit of calculating on racetech i have ordered some lighter springs to mess about with.

me being a tight arz was reluctant to pay £70+pnp for a spring from Nitron so went hunting on the net. first up was the shock factory who i found out are in France who then said to phone Springcoil who i found out are the main makers of shock springs who then put me on to D Faulkner Springs. two springs including vat and pnp came to £68.85 for the exact same springs in black.

if you have the older "sport" Nitron shock with the gold collar its a 2.25" spring.
well you put your trust in companies that have a very good reputation to know what they are doing.

i have always found the back end of my bike to be on the stiff side but thought nothing of it as "it cant be wrong" due to Nitron knowing what they are doing. when i set up the sag settings they came in close to what they should have been so that was that.

well it turns out they know sh!t or they dont care. i told them when i had my shock custom built for me exactly the type of riding and roads i rode on. 7 years i have been riding the bike with the Nitron as i trusted them to know more than me. in the back of my head i have always had a niggling doubt though.

turns out they spring the have put on the shock was waaaaaaayyyyyy too hard. they supplied a 450lb spring and i swapped it out for a 400lb spring as recommended by Racetech calculator.

what a fekin difference. more grip, more comfort, more feeling what the back end is doing. i have always advocated a softer rear spring on the pointy due to the rising rate linkage and i was right.

i'm going to stick my neck out here and say that the rapid tyre wear i have been experiencing on the bike has been due to too heavy a spring on the shock but only time will tell.

would i still recommend Nitron shocks.. hell yes as they have superb dampening.

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