SV650.org - SV650 & Gladius 650 Forum



Idle Banter For non SV and non bike related chat (and the odd bit of humour - but if any post isn't suitable it'll get deleted real quick).
There's also a "U" rating so please respect this. Newbies can also say "hello" here too.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 30-07-17, 09:06 PM   #21
Dave-the-rave
Member
 
Dave-the-rave's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: London
Posts: 167
Default Re: Electric Cars

Never the less. The days of petrol and diesel for domestic use are numbered. Rightly or wrongly.
__________________
SV650N K1
Dave-the-rave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-07-17, 10:28 PM   #22
Red ones
Member
Mega Poster
 
Red ones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 1,422
Default Re: Electric Cars

I don't know what you are all worried about with cars. I got passed by a Zero DSR the other morning!!
Red ones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-07-17, 08:31 AM   #23
Luckypants
Moderator
Mega Poster
 
Luckypants's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Nr Ruthin
Posts: 7,055
Default Re: Electric Cars

Quote:
Originally Posted by punyXpress View Post
Zoe battery lease @£69/month
That's more than I spend on diesel for my shonky Skoda!
This!

We were in the market for a new small car last October (previous one written off) and looked at electric. The Renault Zoe ticked all the boxes of what we needed the car to do but buying the battery made the car ridiculously expensive and the battery lease option of £70 pcm is more than double the cost of the petrol we put in the little Skoda we bought instead. I didn't even look at the cost of depreciation, there was no need when the running costs were so high compared to a conventional petrol vehicle.

Having said that, I'm leasing my next main car as I think the game will change massively in the next few years. This is a way of hedging my bets as to whether EVs take off and become mainstream and not losing a bundle on a conventional car.
__________________
"Your Viffer sounds like it is raising hell! Spot on." - Witchery 17/4/08
Snow Plough Appreciation Society - Member #3


Last edited by Luckypants; 31-07-17 at 09:48 AM.
Luckypants is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-07-17, 08:31 AM   #24
Chris_SVS
Member
 
Chris_SVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 511
Default Re: Electric Cars

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red ones View Post
I don't know what you are all worried about with cars. I got passed by a Zero DSR the other morning!!
I've been looking at these with a view to maybe buying one
Chris_SVS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-07-17, 09:36 AM   #25
L3nny
Member
Mega Poster
 
L3nny's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: MK
Posts: 2,109
Default Re: Electric Cars

An electric bike would probably be the ideal solution, a shame they are so expensive and there are no dealers nearby
__________________
2015 GS 1200 Adventure
L3nny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-07-17, 09:51 AM   #26
Luckypants
Moderator
Mega Poster
 
Luckypants's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Nr Ruthin
Posts: 7,055
Default Re: Electric Cars

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckypants View Post
<snip>battery lease option of £70 pcm <snip>
Another thing that put us off buying, based on the above. Come re-sale time in 10 years or so (second car is kept a long time as it does very few miles) the target buyers are likely to be young drivers looking for a first car or cheap second car for someone - both types of buyers are likely to be completely put off by the high cost of the battery lease.
__________________
"Your Viffer sounds like it is raising hell! Spot on." - Witchery 17/4/08
Snow Plough Appreciation Society - Member #3

Luckypants is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-07-17, 10:08 AM   #27
Talking Heads
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 486
Default Re: Electric Cars

Quote:
Originally Posted by L3nny View Post
An electric bike would probably be the ideal solution, a shame they are so expensive and there are no dealers nearby
Some time ago I did a study into the overall costs of a Zero S and a Honda NC750S DCT.
Based on annual mileage of 10,000 miles, towards the end of year 3 the Zero S worked out the cheaper option.
Talking Heads is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-07-17, 12:06 PM   #28
NTECUK
Member
Mega Poster
 
NTECUK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: essex
Posts: 5,314
Default Re: Electric Cars

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckypants View Post
Another thing that put us off buying, based on the above. Come re-sale time in 10 years or so (second car is kept a long time as it does very few miles) the target buyers are likely to be young drivers looking for a first car or cheap second car for someone - both types of buyers are likely to be completely put off by the high cost of the battery lease.
Buy a year old leaf without the battery lease .winner
__________________
Raisin cookies that look like chocolate chip cookies are the reason I have trust issues.
NTECUK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-07-17, 03:11 PM   #29
ophic
Member
Mega Poster
 
ophic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Whyteleafe
Posts: 3,395
Default Re: Electric Cars

What happens if you run out of charge? The range is currently quite limited so I can imagine this happening relatively frequently. You can't just walk/hike/get a taxi to the nearest petrol station and buy a plastic fuel can. You can't take the battery out of the car because it'll be too heavy. You can't carry charge.

So does the electric AA van get fitted with a huge heavy battery to charge you up or do they rely on something smaller and lighter like a fossil fuel powered generator?

Do electric vehicles have a neutral? Cos without a clutch, you might also come to a rapid stop in the middle of traffic.
__________________
Silver SV650SK3, Fuel exhaust
ophic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-07-17, 03:28 PM   #30
SV650rules
Member
Mega Poster
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Shropshire UK
Posts: 1,357
Default Re: Electric Cars

Quote:
Originally Posted by ophic View Post
What happens if you run out of charge? The range is currently quite limited so I can imagine this happening relatively frequently. You can't just walk/hike/get a taxi to the nearest petrol station and buy a plastic fuel can. You can't take the battery out of the car because it'll be too heavy. You can't carry charge.

So does the electric AA van get fitted with a huge heavy battery to charge you up or do they rely on something smaller and lighter like a fossil fuel powered generator?

Do electric vehicles have a neutral? Cos without a clutch, you might also come to a rapid stop in the middle of traffic.
All those are relevant questions, every electric vehicle test I have seen has mentioned something I have never thought about with an ICE vehicle, a new term has come into our language 'range anxiety' and one tester even came up with the term of 'rubber bucket' for an EV battery (you never really know how much is in it). A range of 300 miles at a steady 50 mph soon comes down to just over 200 miles at motorway speeds - never had that happen with an ICE vehicle, I know from looking at the fuel gauge just how much fuel I have left and how far it will take me, pretty much regardless of temperature (which affects battery capacity) or how fast I go (within reason). The fact that you can't just phone your mate to bring a can of petrol is worry - better get AA relay membership, I bet tow truck operators are rubbing their hands at the prospect of upsurge in future business. As batteries age their capacity drops, as they get hotter their capacity drops, on a cold day they don't want to release power................

And the cost is another thing, spend and extra 20 grand to save 5 grand on fuel and have the vehicle worth less than half what you paid for it after 12 to 18 months, no thanks.
__________________
2016 SV650 AL7

Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear - Mark Twain
SV650rules is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Electric cars - charging Amadeus Idle Banter 6 24-02-15 12:16 AM
Electric toothbrushes... thulfi Idle Banter 0 18-04-10 10:29 PM
KTM Electric SoulKiss Bikes - Talk & Issues 1 23-02-09 04:35 PM
'03 SVs No Electric! Booker909 SV Talk, Tuning & Tweaking 6 21-05-06 04:05 AM
Electric help plz Bikerz SV Talk, Tuning & Tweaking 10 05-05-05 05:20 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® - Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.