Now Germany is looking at bike noise

[Seeker]

First it was France, now Germany:
https://www.visordown.com/news/indus...an-noisy-bikes

Unless we voluntarily stop fitting loud pipes (and I know that won't happen), I predict it will be enforced within a couple of years.

[Biker Biggles]

The shape of things to come. Bikers are easy targets for populist politicians and their media hacks. Your other thread on social distancing shows some bikers flouting the rules and many more car drivers doing the same but who gets the emphasis in the article? Noise is the same. There are some noisy bikes out there but stand near any major road and the majority of the noise comes from trucks and other four+ wheelers. Even if we kept out pipes standard, which I do, this kind of legislative mindset is rampant and wont be stopping any time soon.

[SV650rules]

Tyre noise is pretty unavoidable and has improved with modern tyres, but I have to say bikers are their own worst enemy when they take off perfectly good OEM pipes that make motorbikes a lot more acceptable to general public and fit straight through cans, add to this the wannabee Marc Marquez fine weather bikers who dodge in and out of traffic and lane split at high speed and can you find a reason not to hate some bikers, who of course make it hard for us all. My B-in-L paid a lot of money for dealer to fit basically straight through pipes before he had even taken delivery and ridden the bike, even the blokes in his club ( cruisers ) told him it was way too loud ( 1300 V twin Yam you can hear his approach several streets away ). Its is more lights and better riding that saves lives, not loud pipes. I for one would not be sorry for roadside noise checks and fines.. some bikes are so far over the top they are on the other side.

[Craig380]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

I for one would not be sorry for roadside noise checks and fines.. some bikes are so far over the top they are on the other side.

Agree 100%. Some bikes are far too loud. I mean, glass houses and all that but I have a Yoshi can on mine, but I leave the db killer in as it's too much for me with it out.

When I ride through our town or other urban areas, dogs rarely even look in my direction, which I'm fine with.

[Chris_SVS]

The joys of a road legal aftermarket system

You can't change a screen in Germany without TUV approved paperwork

[SV650rules]

The Germans always love their rules and regulations, explains why the EU is such a hotbed of regulations - most of them favouring German equipment and standards, means you have a captive market - and lets face it Germany has moulded the EU to suit itself. A clear case of losing the war but winning the peace.

[Craig380]

I wouldn't expect leaving the EU to mean any relaxation of legislative measures applied to bikers. The 250cc law, the sixteener law, and the helmet law were all introduced before we joined the EU.

[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by Craig380

I wouldn't expect leaving the EU to mean any relaxation of legislative measures applied to bikers. The 250cc law, the sixteener law, and the helmet law were all introduced before we joined the EU.

No but maybe ridiculous micro-managing of things ( which is what civil servants do when they don't have enough work, they create it ). The German thing Chris-SVS quoted about needing TUV paperwork to change a screen is a good example of regulation for regulations sake, maybe even nano managing ( is Germany a 'nano' state ).

[Chris_SVS]

I however agree with this https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hrough-germany

A lot of the "home brew" modified cars they seized were pretty much rotten underneath, cut springs, no bump stops etc etc.. Proper shady mechanics that wouldn't MOT easily in the UK





And just some of the defects found across all cars


Wheel attachment 2nd axle on the right is defective, danger of losing the wheel
• Wheels in connection with the air suspension do not allow free movement to the fender
• Tires: clearance is insufficient with impaired driving safety at the front and rear
• Spring 1st and 2nd axis left and right distance to body parts inadequate
• Front wishbone inadmissible
• Brake hose ravaged
• Service brake system: minimum braking not achieved
• Engine leaking - with high oil loss
• Transmission leaking - Loss of oil with dripping
• Exhaust system changed
• Reversing lights without function
• Silencers are missing
• Windscreen with cracking
• Windscreen glued in the field of view
• sill extension improperly mounted
• Additional spring 2nd axle damaged left and right
• Wheel / tire assignment inadmissible
• Air filter / insert: design inadmissible
• Coupling rod 1st axis broken left and right
• Airbags are missing
• Horn without function

[Adam Ef]

I generally see German approved things as a mark of reliability (rightly or wrongly?) . The amount of crap I've bought over the years from other places or has no regulation that is just not fit for purpose is so frustrating. Working as a bicycle mechanic I've seen so much stuff fail from a multitude of name brands. The German stuff has always held up well and lasted while doing the job right.