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Old 11-07-20, 07:45 AM   #1801
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The Dorso has thrown up another code today, so it looks like the throttle demand sensor might need replaced. Which are not cheap!

I need to get it to a dealer to have a proper look at it and confirm what the problem is. Don't really have the cash for that right now so
I may be barking up the wrong tree here but is the sensor a generic automotive electrics part? The reason I ask is this:

Guy in the same office building as me has a 2002 Monster 900 (injected). He was having all sorts of problems with the bike cutting out and not restarting, stranding him, or simply never starting at all. Happened completely at random. He replaced the clock-set (because of the immobiliser) costing him hundreds but it didn't sort it.

After he told me about all this I had a google and found the crank position sensor on the aircooled 900s goes duff, and is quite a common problem. Ducati dealers want £110 for the sensor, but some clever bloke on the Monster forums worked out the sensor is a actually a generic Bosch job as fitted to millions of Fiat Puntos globally, priced at ..... £17.99.

I told him, and he ordered one to try it. We checked the two sensors side by side, and they were identical - apart from the one off the bike had "Ducati" printed on the connector, and the replacement had "Bosch." 2 minutes to check the air gap was fine, plugged it in and it fired up straight away, and has never cut out again.

Your sensor maybe a more generic off-the-shelf component from whoever makes the injection system.
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Old 11-07-20, 08:18 AM   #1802
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I may be barking up the wrong tree here but is the sensor a generic automotive electrics part? The reason I ask is this:



Guy in the same office building as me has a 2002 Monster 900 (injected). He was having all sorts of problems with the bike cutting out and not restarting, stranding him, or simply never starting at all. Happened completely at random. He replaced the clock-set (because of the immobiliser) costing him hundreds but it didn't sort it.



After he told me about all this I had a google and found the crank position sensor on the aircooled 900s goes duff, and is quite a common problem. Ducati dealers want £110 for the sensor, but some clever bloke on the Monster forums worked out the sensor is a actually a generic Bosch job as fitted to millions of Fiat Puntos globally, priced at ..... £17.99.



I told him, and he ordered one to try it. We checked the two sensors side by side, and they were identical - apart from the one off the bike had "Ducati" printed on the connector, and the replacement had "Bosch." 2 minutes to check the air gap was fine, plugged it in and it fired up straight away, and has never cut out again.



Your sensor maybe a more generic off-the-shelf component from whoever makes the injection system.
This is quite common. I had a Ford Sierra many years ago which needed a new Cv joint. My local garage used one marked GKN rather than going to Ford, much cheaper and they supplied Ford anyway.

Car factories are really just assembly plants sourcing parts from wherever. It's cheaper for them to use standard parts where possible.

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Old 11-07-20, 08:18 AM   #1803
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Car and motorbike companies don't make their own sensors, that is a job for specialist companies like Bosch, Hitachi or Magneti Marelli. They all go down same production line but at the end a different logo and maybe part number is printed on them and the price is ramped up accordingly, the same sensor that fits a Fiat and costs £20 probably fits a Ferrari but will cost £300... it is all down to what the buyer is perceived to be able to afford.
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Old 11-07-20, 06:06 PM   #1804
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I may be barking up the wrong tree here but is the sensor a generic automotive electrics part? The reason I ask is this:

Guy in the same office building as me has a 2002 Monster 900 (injected). He was having all sorts of problems with the bike cutting out and not restarting, stranding him, or simply never starting at all. Happened completely at random. He replaced the clock-set (because of the immobiliser) costing him hundreds but it didn't sort it.

After he told me about all this I had a google and found the crank position sensor on the aircooled 900s goes duff, and is quite a common problem. Ducati dealers want £110 for the sensor, but some clever bloke on the Monster forums worked out the sensor is a actually a generic Bosch job as fitted to millions of Fiat Puntos globally, priced at ..... £17.99.

I told him, and he ordered one to try it. We checked the two sensors side by side, and they were identical - apart from the one off the bike had "Ducati" printed on the connector, and the replacement had "Bosch." 2 minutes to check the air gap was fine, plugged it in and it fired up straight away, and has never cut out again.

Your sensor maybe a more generic off-the-shelf component from whoever makes the injection system.
That would be brilliant if that was the case. I might investigate the part and see if there are part numbers I can google
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Old 11-07-20, 07:42 PM   #1805
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It's quite common for general Automotive parts to be re-branded and used on Motorcycles. Things like Temp sensors/Fan thermo switches/Thermostats/ Rad caps etc.Things like wheel bearings as well which are just general Engineering bearings.
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Old 24-07-20, 06:26 PM   #1806
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Just made up a 'direct to battery' lead, for my curvy, bought new Yuasa battery and fitted my new 'Electrex' rectifier. So hopefully ... no more crap charging problems.
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Old 28-07-20, 08:12 PM   #1807
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Fitted a new set of Tarozzi high rise clipons and a cheapo set of bar end mirrors to my 650x

The clipons give the bike a street fighter type look, the riding position is comfy and the steering light and confident. And funnily the bar ends, although cheap, give a much better view behind than the stock mirrors which has never been the case on any of my other bikes!
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Old 28-07-20, 09:53 PM   #1808
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