Shocking....(but its work)

Knowing that the org likes a decent debate
heres are some of the stats that have just be presented to me
admittedly this is north of the border but i thought it would be interesting to see what the org thought (and i can bolster my research)

A survey of 992 Scots carried out by TNS System Three in January 2007 for the Scottish Executive found that:
· 27% think a woman can be at least partly responsible if she is drunk at the time of the attack
· 26% thought that a woman bore some responsibility if she wore revealing clothing
· 32% say there should be some burden of responsibility for rape if the women is flirting
· 18% think rape can be the woman's fault if she is known to have had many sexual partners

Recent Amnesty research (2005) found that:

• 34% of people thought that a woman was fully or partially responsible for being raped if she behaved in a ‘flirtatious’ manner
• 30% of people thought that a woman was fully or partially responsible for being raped if she was drunk
• 26% of people thought that a woman was fully or partially responsible for being raped if she was wearing ‘sexy or revealing’ clothing
• 22% of people thought that a woman was fully or partially responsible for being raped if she has had many sexual partners

discuss freely please all opinons are valid

Originally Posted by Quedos

Knowing that the org likes a decent debate
heres are some of the stats that have just be presented to me
admittedly this is north of the border but i thought it would be interesting to see what the org thought (and i can bolster my research)

A survey of 992 Scots carried out by TNS System Three in January 2007 for the Scottish Executive found that:
· 27% think a woman can be at least partly responsible if she is drunk at the time of the attack
· 26% thought that a woman bore some responsibility if she wore revealing clothing
· 32% say there should be some burden of responsibility for rape if the women is flirting
· 18% think rape can be the woman's fault if she is known to have had many sexual partners


Recent Amnesty research (2005) found that:

• 34% of people thought that a woman was fully or partially responsible for being raped if she behaved in a ‘flirtatious’ manner
• 30% of people thought that a woman was fully or partially responsible for being raped if she was drunk
• 26% of people thought that a woman was fully or partially responsible for being raped if she was wearing ‘sexy or revealing’ clothing
• 22% of people thought that a woman was fully or partially responsible for being raped if she has had many sexual partners

discuss freely please all opinons are valid

sorry Q, not sure what you're asking us - to compare the results or on the results themselves -?

[SoulKiss]

Hmm almost a need for a multi-poll thread.

Maybe if people reply in following format.

Originally Posted by Questionaire

1) I think a woman can be at least partly responsible if she is drunk at the time of the attack.

2) I think that a woman bares some responsibility if she wore revealing clothing.

3) I think there should be some burden of responsibility for rape if the women is flirting.

4) I think rape can be the woman's fault if she is known to have had many sexual partners.

1) True
2) False
3) False
4) False

Just debate do you agree with results and what your thoughts are on the stats
I found it quite shocking that people believe that the women is fully/partial responsible if shes being 'classed' as flirting
just saves me asking everyone in the office beside you guys are vocal enough to opine on this and get some good debate going

soulkiss - you clever old thing!

i agree with SK, if someone is drunk then they are not in control of themselves and may/may not know what they have done (obviously depends how drunk they are).

we had this discussion at work recently, some one said thay they believed that if someone was said to be flirting/wearing provocative clothing it was akin to taunting someone bigger than you who is more than capable of punching you in the face.
not my opinion but it might help explain the results.

True
False
False
False

There was a very long thread on this recently.

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=115496

[jambo]

Ah good, this old chestnut again.

I'm kinda with Soulkiss on this one, the trouble is that the above categories are a bit broad:

Girl wears a nice top has a few drinks and is raped, her fault? Of course not.

Girl wears almost nothing, gets so blitzed without anyone round to look after her, next morning she's not sure where she is or what she's agreed to, and later decides that it wasn't consenting because she was too drunk. Less clear cut, and surely some responsibility for a person's welfare lies in them taking care of themselves.

Unfortunately both are covered by the above points, which is, I think why there's always such a heated debate with people hanging onto one of the above scenarios to argue their point.

Jambo

coolio

1) I think a woman can be at least partly responsible if she is drunk at the time of the attack. Nope. Using the same logic, can the attacker use their own drunkenness as an excuse?

2) I think that a woman bears some responsibility if she wore revealing clothing. What's 'revealing'? Is every tart on the front of a lads mag asking to be raped?

3) I think there should be some burden of responsibility for rape if the woman is flirting. Why should she be blamed for normal behaviour? nobody really expects someone they meet to become abusive. And if the attacker is flirting, where's the responsiblity there? Think about 'grooming' situations.

4) I think rape can be the woman's fault if she is known to have had many sexual partners. Promiscuity has nothing to do with assault. And if it was a bloke it would be celebrated rather than derided.

A lot of this about double standards and the way the media portrays women, and society's acceptance without thinking.

[jambo]

Originally Posted by shonadoll

There was a very long thread on this recently.

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=115496

Indeed, this one was somewhat muddied by the fact it wasn't a straight argument on whether her being drunk was a contributing factor. Her compensation from the Police for doing a very poor job of following up and prosecuting on her case, was reduced. The argument stood that the compensation was because of the police's poor performance and so should not be affected by her state at the time of the original case.


Jambo

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by jambo

Ah good, this old chestnut again.

I'm kinda with Soulkiss on this one, the trouble is that the above categories are a bit broad:

Girl wears a nice top has a few drinks and is raped, her fault? Of course not.

Girl wears almost nothing, gets so blitzed without anyone round to look after her, next morning she's not sure where she is or what she's agreed to, and later decides that it wasn't consenting because she was too drunk. Less clear cut, and surely some responsibility for a person's welfare lies in them taking care of themselves.

Unfortunately both are covered by the above points, which is, I think why there's always such a heated debate with people hanging onto one of the above scenarios to argue their point.

Jambo

True but as the comparison is a fixed set of questions......

I should have explained my reply to 1) tho.

I am really just revisiting my argument that Alcohol makes it easier to make poor judgement - and get ourselves into bad situations.

Also bearing in mind that EVERY drunken enounter is technically rape due the giving consent thing.