PIP Implants - SV650.org

11-01-12, 07:08 PM

WTF, you elect to have and pay for surgery for the sake of vanity, turns out later, the unregulated industry used the cheapest components available and now there is a VERY small chance these components might fail and possibly cause some medical issues.
Go back to where you got them and get them out, if you want them replaced (for vanity) then find the money again.
DO NOT expect the nhs to use my money to sort out a problem you created.
I'm so sick of this "news story".

You buy something, it breaks, if its still under warranty get it replaced, if not buy a new one. get over it. OMG

Bluepete · 11-01-12, 07:11 PM

I love the fact that these three http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...ut-of-business decided to get implants instead of huge amounts of cosmetic facial surgery!

Tough t1tties!

Pete

timwilky · 11-01-12, 07:29 PM

Some people probably have these provided with reconstruction following a mastectomy. That aint vanity, more sanity.

I have to say though I think the private clinics are correct. They used officially approved implants. The government regulators failed to do their job properly and the clinics are expected to foot the bill.

dizzyblonde · 11-01-12, 08:22 PM

+1 Tim. If you have an implant in that situation, to have a second bout of demoralisation is appauling, 'some' ladies put their trust in someone to make them feel a woman again, and have been let down tremendously.

andrewsmith · 11-01-12, 08:59 PM

+1

For what Tim and DB said.
It was the Government(s) health approval departments that certified these as safe and the Plastic Surgeons have used them in the thousands

Biker Biggles · 11-01-12, 09:10 PM

But if the regulators actually do regulate the same people who are whinging now squeal loudly about government interference and elf n safty gone mad.Cant win methinks unless you are a Harley Street private clinic who wont be paying up.

dizzyblonde · 11-01-12, 09:17 PM

Personally If I'd lost a pair of b00bs to cancer, and I'd had these implants for whatever reason/recommendation it may be, I'd want them to be replaced.

I have seen one lady on local news with them in, and she has been ill for some considerable time, so much so, she is wheelchair bound..

Now look away now lads if you don't want graffic detail, but when a woman breastfeeds it can only be likened to be kicked in the nuts fifty times over, every day, hour on end....now think how it would feel if you'd gone through something ten times the power due to some life taking illness to be given a second chance with some funny looking gell stuff, only to be slashed back down when something goes wrong.

I wouldn't like it....I wouldn't like it at all.

11-01-12, 09:28 PM

Agree with all responses above too (sorry Kilted). I was all for the private surgeries that did the original work having to redo it at their own cost until I heard it pointed out today that they were using, in good faith, impalnts approved by the Dept of Health. If what was in the implants had changed (and what PIP put in them to cut costs is the real scandal) it was the responsibility of the DoH to know and act accordingly.

I feel very sorry for anyone who has those implants. The fact is nobody actually knows what the failure rate is because it isn't properly reported. And then, even once you know that, maybe, 5% could fail, you have to weigh your chances of being one of that 1 in 20 against the very real risks associated with any surgical procedure in the event that you decide to have them swapped for safer ones.

SoulKiss · 11-01-12, 09:41 PM

Simples.

People who wandered in and said "I'd like bigger boobs please" should have their surgeons pay.

Those who went through a procedure following the advice of a medical professional following a diagnosis that it was in their best interests for their future wellbeing should be sorted out on the NHS.

IE Jordan should pay, mastectormy patients shouldn't.

Just saying "The government approved these, so its not my fault, even though I bought based on price" doesn't cut it in my book (and many of the surgeons whining are VERY wealthy individuals).

Thats like an electrician buying cheap fittings in a poundshop, rather than quality kit. Sure they are both legal, but one will generraly be better than the other, and probably WONT come with 1p change from a quid.

11-01-12, 09:43 PM

Leaving the morals of 'should they be replaced or not' aside because that obviously is a complex and emotive subject, I still don't see why the NHS should foot the bill on this one.

Ok it's not quite the same but if my tv from currys turns out to have an inherent fault I go back to currys, they don't get to pass me off onto a third party. What currys do about it, who they blame or get compensation from isn't my issue, so long as they sort it.

11-01-12, 07:08 PM	#1
Kilted Ginger Guest Posts: n/a	PIP Implants WTF, you elect to have and pay for surgery for the sake of vanity, turns out later, the unregulated industry used the cheapest components available and now there is a VERY small chance these components might fail and possibly cause some medical issues. Go back to where you got them and get them out, if you want them replaced (for vanity) then find the money again. DO NOT expect the nhs to use my money to sort out a problem you created. I'm so sick of this "news story". You buy something, it breaks, if its still under warranty get it replaced, if not buy a new one. get over it. OMG

11-01-12, 07:11 PM	#2
Bluepete Member Mega Poster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex motorcyclist Posts: 1,961	Re: PIP Implants I love the fact that these three http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...ut-of-business decided to get implants instead of huge amounts of cosmetic facial surgery! Tough t1tties! Pete

11-01-12, 07:29 PM	#3
timwilky Member Mega Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Not in Yorkshire. (Thank God) Posts: 4,116	Re: PIP Implants Some people probably have these provided with reconstruction following a mastectomy. That aint vanity, more sanity. I have to say though I think the private clinics are correct. They used officially approved implants. The government regulators failed to do their job properly and the clinics are expected to foot the bill. __________________ Not Grumpy, opinionated.

11-01-12, 08:22 PM	#4
dizzyblonde Da Cake Boss Mega Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a flying Horse Posts: 9,992	Re: PIP Implants +1 Tim. If you have an implant in that situation, to have a second bout of demoralisation is appauling, 'some' ladies put their trust in someone to make them feel a woman again, and have been let down tremendously. __________________ Suzy, yellow 2001 SVS. Kitty, V-Raptor 1000, ZZR1400<<its my bike now Pegasus! Hovis 13.8.75-3.10.09 Reeder 20.7.88-21.3.12

11-01-12, 08:59 PM	#5
andrewsmith Member Mega Poster Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, Just south of salad dodging country Posts: 7,750	Re: PIP Implants +1 For what Tim and DB said. It was the Government(s) health approval departments that certified these as safe and the Plastic Surgeons have used them in the thousands __________________ RIP Reeder 20/07/1988 - 21/03/2012. Always missed squire!!! Every year we meet old friends, gain some new ones, lose old ones and you always remember them all. “Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.” Mahatma Gandhi

11-01-12, 09:10 PM	#6
Biker Biggles Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Barnet Herts Posts: 5,071	Re: PIP Implants But if the regulators actually do regulate the same people who are whinging now squeal loudly about government interference and elf n safty gone mad.Cant win methinks unless you are a Harley Street private clinic who wont be paying up. __________________ On a clear day we stand there and look further than the ordinary eye can see.

11-01-12, 09:17 PM	#7
dizzyblonde Da Cake Boss Mega Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a flying Horse Posts: 9,992	Re: PIP Implants Personally If I'd lost a pair of b00bs to cancer, and I'd had these implants for whatever reason/recommendation it may be, I'd want them to be replaced. I have seen one lady on local news with them in, and she has been ill for some considerable time, so much so, she is wheelchair bound.. Now look away now lads if you don't want graffic detail, but when a woman breastfeeds it can only be likened to be kicked in the nuts fifty times over, every day, hour on end....now think how it would feel if you'd gone through something ten times the power due to some life taking illness to be given a second chance with some funny looking gell stuff, only to be slashed back down when something goes wrong. I wouldn't like it....I wouldn't like it at all. __________________ Suzy, yellow 2001 SVS. Kitty, V-Raptor 1000, ZZR1400<<its my bike now Pegasus! Hovis 13.8.75-3.10.09 Reeder 20.7.88-21.3.12

11-01-12, 09:28 PM	#8
DJFridge Guest Posts: n/a	Re: PIP Implants Agree with all responses above too (sorry Kilted). I was all for the private surgeries that did the original work having to redo it at their own cost until I heard it pointed out today that they were using, in good faith, impalnts approved by the Dept of Health. If what was in the implants had changed (and what PIP put in them to cut costs is the real scandal) it was the responsibility of the DoH to know and act accordingly. I feel very sorry for anyone who has those implants. The fact is nobody actually knows what the failure rate is because it isn't properly reported. And then, even once you know that, maybe, 5% could fail, you have to weigh your chances of being one of that 1 in 20 against the very real risks associated with any surgical procedure in the event that you decide to have them swapped for safer ones.

11-01-12, 09:41 PM	#9
SoulKiss Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sunny Croydonia Posts: 6,124	Re: PIP Implants Simples. People who wandered in and said "I'd like bigger boobs please" should have their surgeons pay. Those who went through a procedure following the advice of a medical professional following a diagnosis that it was in their best interests for their future wellbeing should be sorted out on the NHS. IE Jordan should pay, mastectormy patients shouldn't. Just saying "The government approved these, so its not my fault, even though I bought based on price" doesn't cut it in my book (and many of the surgeons whining are VERY wealthy individuals). Thats like an electrician buying cheap fittings in a poundshop, rather than quality kit. Sure they are both legal, but one will generraly be better than the other, and probably WONT come with 1p change from a quid. __________________ Sent from my PC NOT using any Tapatalk type rubbish!! █╬╬╬╬(•)i¯i▀▀▀▀▀█Ξ███████████████████████████████)

11-01-12, 09:43 PM	#10
Sabarius Guest Posts: n/a	Re: PIP Implants Leaving the morals of 'should they be replaced or not' aside because that obviously is a complex and emotive subject, I still don't see why the NHS should foot the bill on this one. Ok it's not quite the same but if my tv from currys turns out to have an inherent fault I go back to currys, they don't get to pass me off onto a third party. What currys do about it, who they blame or get compensation from isn't my issue, so long as they sort it.