European elections 2014 your thoughts OMO

[NTECUK]

So the people (the 40 % or so who bothered to vote) seam to be sending a message.
In the last 5 years or so the regulations the uk had requested to be changed at the europea
parliament was around 55 applications with a 0% success rate.
What you thinking OMO?

I think UKIP voters are sending out a big message to the main parties and you watch them adopt some their policies.
Shame we didn't have them in 1997 before it all started.

Even the Polish think there's too many people coming into the country which is ironic.

Originally Posted by Specialone

I think UKIP voters are sending out a big message to the main parties and you watch them adopt some their policies.
Shame we didn't have them in 1997 before it all started.

What do you mean 1997?

There's a lot of confusion and mis information about the EU and the European Court of Human Rights.

The European Court of Human Rights was set up in the 1950s after the war to try and prevent atrocities happening across the world as they did before. It has absolutely nothing to do with the EU, and over 50 countries subscribe to it including Russia.

It IS a good thing. The UK had just over 1000 application in the European Court of Human Rights last year, with only 23 heard and only 12 judgments given (7 in favour of claimant, 5 in favour of UK).

One case in Germany: A guy was going on holiday to meet his wife. At the airport, he was taken by CIA into a room and questioned for 3 hours. Shortly afterwards, he was flown to an unknown location (apparently Libya) for torture and questioning. He was kept there for three months, poked and prodded in all the places, before being returned to somewhere just outside of Europe and left to wonder towards a border control, looking like a terrorist.

The guy was a German citizen, although a muslim. The court, reviewing all the evidence, gave him an award of some measly £30,000. BUT, it gives these things publicity. The countries themselves decide to bind themselves to this, and given the amount of Human Rights violations going on across the world it can't be a bad thing.

The EU was set up in the 1960s. We tried to join a few times but we were refused the first couple before we actually got in. It's evolved since then, but each time the country has had to agree to a new treaty, there is nothing that Europe has done without us saying you can do that.

The free movement is nowhere near as bad as people think. Plenty of people leave the UK, whether for business, work or holidays.

Several big companies, such as JP Morgan, Airbus and the Automotive Retailers Association have said they will leave the UK if we leave the EU. AKA loads of money not coming through here, and over 3,000 jobs lost just for leaving the EU.

The other issue, is that if we leave the EU, to try and prevent other countries leaving, they will put prohibitively high taxes on us trading with them. What that means, is that out biggest trade partner evaporates.

Our two largest economic producers by GDP are firstly finance, and secondly weapons. A lot of which is traded with Europe, and Britain is essentially the financial centre of the EU. Once we leave, we lose all this, and expect things to get a whole lot worse before they get better. I've seen estimates ranging from a minimum negative economic impact worse than the recession in 2007 lasting for up to 5 years (best case scenario) or going on for up to 50.

Too long didn't read The EU is bad, but leaving is worse. Deal with it, accept the benefits and the fact that it increases our economic growth, productivity and produces a heck of a lot of jobs.

[punyXpress]

Originally Posted by NTECUK

So the people (the 40 % or so who bothered to vote)

No, I didn't vote.
When the parties give us candidates and policies worth voting for, I shall resume doing so.
Oh yes, Cameron has been repeating his 'promise' of a referendum ad nauseam, and when the result is not to his liking he will totally ignore the public opinion, this being the standard EU way of dealing with such matters.

I meant when labour relaxed the borders.

[Grant66]

Originally Posted by Specialone

I meant when labour relaxed the borders.

But that was UK government's decision not EU. Before that UK had the tightest border controls across Europe (we were and still are outside the schengen agreement).

Don't blame the EU, put the blame where it belongs. Labour party government.

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Originally Posted by Grant66

But that was UK government's decision not EU. Before that UK had the tightest border controls across Europe (we were and still are outside the schengen agreement).

Don't blame the EU, put the blame where it belongs. Labour party government.

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Who said I was blaming the eu? I never mentioned the eu at all, people are assuming I was talking about coming out of the eu or blaming them for eveything, I know exactly where the blame lies for our lax borders, labour.

[Grant66]

Not directly, but if you think it's a shame ukip wasn't around in 97, it suggests a support for that party.
Hence the reasoning that you are also anti EU.

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[maviczap]

Originally Posted by Specialone

I meant when labour relaxed the borders.

Originally Posted by Grant66

But that was UK government's decision not EU. Before that UK had the tightest border controls across Europe (we were and still are outside the schengen agreement).

Don't blame the EU, put the blame where it belongs. Labour party government.

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Labour didn't relax the Border Controls, as the regulations have been the same for a long time.

Poland, Latvia & Lithuania all joined the EU at the same time, so their peoples took advantage of the free movement between countries.

The Immigration service, as it was then, was under resourced to deal with the mass influx of other nationalities wanting to come here illegally. Once there in, its much harder to find them.

Gordon Brown didn't help matters by merging Customs & Immigration into one agency.