Do I deserve a Pay Rise ? (Long read) Please advise - SV650.org

05-07-06, 05:19 PM

This is a follow up letter I sent to my Boss after the incident about wearing shorts in the office I posted a while back ago.

Basically I get 1.5 K more a year than my colleagues for providing IT & Engineering Support (which I think is taking the ****). I worked there for more than 7 months now.

Please advise what you think as our "Office Manager" tells me once a week that "I earn a lot more than my colleagues and I should be grateful"

I feel cheated

Here is the Letter:

EDIT: Now removed Thanks for everyones replys

PatrickUK

fizzwheel · 05-07-06, 05:32 PM

Its a tricky area. You've been given conflicting advice by two different managers. Its up to them to sort it out not you. Sounds like somebody is playing political power games in your company.

Personally I would ask for an informal meeting, with your supervisor and tell them how you feel and what can be done about it. I really would'nt submit that letter just yet it might do you more harm than good.

Have a chat with your supervisor about your pay if you are not happy with it. Do some research find out what salary your job role would attract at an alternative company. Ask your supervisor what he or she thinks that you need to do to get on the pay scale that you want get them to draw up a development plan in writing so you have something to aim for so they can't move the goalposts.

Playing devils advocate, have you considered the fact that you do earn a sensible salary for the responsibilities of your job ?

As with all these kind of things go and get some proper impatial legal advice from CAB or a Solicitor. If you have a HR department at work have a chat with them and ask their advice.

Good luck with it.

05-07-06, 05:38 PM

Thanks for your reply.

The letter has been sent to the company owner about a month ago

I already spoke to my Supervisor about my salary and she agrees that I should earn a lot more money for the duties I do.

But it;s not down to her nor to the "Office Manager" - it's down to the Company owner...

I jhave been offered a new IT Job with a different company for 4k more than I'm on at the moment.
So I'm in a good bargaining position.

Kylie · 05-07-06, 05:46 PM

If that offer for 4K more is somewhere else and looks good then I would jump on it. I wouldn't work for a boss who shouted at me like you mention, that's very very sh*t management.

Biker Biggles · 05-07-06, 05:50 PM

Out of frying pan into fire?Do you like your present job and want to stay?If so fight for proper pay.If not consider the alternatives.Agree with the bit about **** management though.I'd have probably chinned him.

05-07-06, 06:31 PM

Sounds pretty horrible, and I would be definately consider the other job. I'm so glad I work somewhere, where there is absolutely no dress code whatsoever, no managers or any real corporate heirachy! I did a temping stint at Royal & Sun Alliance - never, never again!

05-07-06, 06:33 PM

Why on earth do you still want to work there?

Frankly, Id be looking to work elsewhere.

And posting their name up on a hacking website.

:P

Just to point out the error of their ways of course without doing anything yourself...

Edit: just seen your last post. Accept the job and hand in your notice and move and get the 4k. Why on earth would you want to stay and work for a manager like that? Even if they offer 5k is it really worth the grief? Odds are the other company would be a lot better.

05-07-06, 06:45 PM

being somewhat of a realist...

one of my mates thinks he should be earning 30k because he has a few qualifications and a years experience and continually moans about that, and refuses to do tasks at his company because he thinks he's above it - not the right attitude, and if it were me running the company he'd be out... you need to work hard if you want to get anywhere (not saying you aren't) but remember IT support workers are 10 a penny nowadays and therefore demand is lower and salaries go down.. so you might find it hard to barter.

i would say that a fair salary for the job you mentioned is 17-20k and at the end of the day other people's salaries should not be of your concern, it only strives to create a poorer working environment for everyone if people find out what others are earning and there is a disparity for perceived responsibility. if you've only worked there for 7 months that is hardly any time to offer an objective assessment of your skills! it took 2 years of hard labour before i got any sniff of decent money at my current job

my "key to success in 5 steps." is :

1. work as hard as you can
2. work outside the scope of your job and try to help out in other areas
3. learn new skills in your own time which are valuable to yourself and your employer
4. be professional at all times, no sickies, gossip, etc!
5. have an action plan and an objectives map and re-evaluate your posiiton every 12 months. try never to stay in a job if it is simply paying the bills.

sorry if this is negative, and i don't know your personal situation but i think a lot of people who complain about stuff like this could do with re-evaluating themselves and their attitudes before pointing the finger!

05-07-06, 06:47 PM

i like step number (5)

ive been in the same job for 17 years just paying the bills

05-07-06, 07:16 PM

I know exactly how you feel.

I worked for a company that is (gl)sadly now gone. Some good mates were there. I'd been working there for 17 years and just could not progress with my manager who had an ego larger than Brazil. He was superior and that was that. I'll not bore you with detail but because I'd been there (the same company but not the same job) for a long time and I was looked upon as "he's been with us for a very long time on that pay and has a house" so why pay more or treat him better? They did have a point. New starters were overtaking my salery in a few years and getting the benefits. They pay as little as they can get away with right. It's in business to make as much money as possible.

To cut the story short, I applied for an got offerred a better job, relocated 80 miles away have been treated like I should have been. I doubled my salary in 7 years. I've since changed job every three years or so which works for me.

Personally, If I'd been shouted at as you have for such a trivial thing I'd walk. You clearly have a portable and valuable skill set. Once I've sent my CV for a job, it's only a matter of time before I'm off. Do not threaten to go unless you can show the manager your offer. They will call your bluff, it's what they are tought to do, they react only whan the offer is there by which time it's too late.

Good luck!

05-07-06, 05:19 PM	#1
SpankyHam Guest Posts: n/a	Do I deserve a Pay Rise ? (Long read) Please advise This is a follow up letter I sent to my Boss after the incident about wearing shorts in the office I posted a while back ago. Basically I get 1.5 K more a year than my colleagues for providing IT & Engineering Support (which I think is taking the ****). I worked there for more than 7 months now. Please advise what you think as our "Office Manager" tells me once a week that "I earn a lot more than my colleagues and I should be grateful" I feel cheated Here is the Letter: EDIT: Now removed Thanks for everyones replys PatrickUK

05-07-06, 05:32 PM	#2
fizzwheel Super Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somerset Posts: 3,614	Its a tricky area. You've been given conflicting advice by two different managers. Its up to them to sort it out not you. Sounds like somebody is playing political power games in your company. Personally I would ask for an informal meeting, with your supervisor and tell them how you feel and what can be done about it. I really would'nt submit that letter just yet it might do you more harm than good. Have a chat with your supervisor about your pay if you are not happy with it. Do some research find out what salary your job role would attract at an alternative company. Ask your supervisor what he or she thinks that you need to do to get on the pay scale that you want get them to draw up a development plan in writing so you have something to aim for so they can't move the goalposts. Playing devils advocate, have you considered the fact that you do earn a sensible salary for the responsibilities of your job ? As with all these kind of things go and get some proper impatial legal advice from CAB or a Solicitor. If you have a HR department at work have a chat with them and ask their advice. Good luck with it. __________________ Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over. K5 GSXR 750 Anniversary Edition

05-07-06, 05:46 PM	#4
Kylie Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Harrow Posts: 305	If that offer for 4K more is somewhere else and looks good then I would jump on it. I wouldn't work for a boss who shouted at me like you mention, that's very very sh*t management. __________________ I'm Mike. Kylie is an SK3 with OE lowers, R&G bungs, OE double bubble, Scottoiler, Starcomm, Hamicad tail tidy, bruised and in need of a wash.

05-07-06, 05:50 PM	#5
Biker Biggles Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Barnet Herts Posts: 5,071	Out of frying pan into fire?Do you like your present job and want to stay?If so fight for proper pay.If not consider the alternatives.Agree with the bit about **** management though.I'd have probably chinned him. __________________ On a clear day we stand there and look further than the ordinary eye can see.

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05-07-06, 05:38 PM	#3
SpankyHam Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks for your reply. The letter has been sent to the company owner about a month ago I already spoke to my Supervisor about my salary and she agrees that I should earn a lot more money for the duties I do. But it;s not down to her nor to the "Office Manager" - it's down to the Company owner... I jhave been offered a new IT Job with a different company for 4k more than I'm on at the moment. So I'm in a good bargaining position.

05-07-06, 06:31 PM	#6
lukemillar Guest Posts: n/a	Sounds pretty horrible, and I would be definately consider the other job. I'm so glad I work somewhere, where there is absolutely no dress code whatsoever, no managers or any real corporate heirachy! I did a temping stint at Royal & Sun Alliance - never, never again!

05-07-06, 06:33 PM	#7
lynw Guest Posts: n/a	Why on earth do you still want to work there? Frankly, Id be looking to work elsewhere. And posting their name up on a hacking website. :P Just to point out the error of their ways of course without doing anything yourself... Edit: just seen your last post. Accept the job and hand in your notice and move and get the 4k. Why on earth would you want to stay and work for a manager like that? Even if they offer 5k is it really worth the grief? Odds are the other company would be a lot better.

05-07-06, 06:45 PM	#8
Gnan Guest Posts: n/a	being somewhat of a realist... one of my mates thinks he should be earning 30k because he has a few qualifications and a years experience and continually moans about that, and refuses to do tasks at his company because he thinks he's above it - not the right attitude, and if it were me running the company he'd be out... you need to work hard if you want to get anywhere (not saying you aren't) but remember IT support workers are 10 a penny nowadays and therefore demand is lower and salaries go down.. so you might find it hard to barter. i would say that a fair salary for the job you mentioned is 17-20k and at the end of the day other people's salaries should not be of your concern, it only strives to create a poorer working environment for everyone if people find out what others are earning and there is a disparity for perceived responsibility. if you've only worked there for 7 months that is hardly any time to offer an objective assessment of your skills! it took 2 years of hard labour before i got any sniff of decent money at my current job my "key to success in 5 steps." is : 1. work as hard as you can 2. work outside the scope of your job and try to help out in other areas 3. learn new skills in your own time which are valuable to yourself and your employer 4. be professional at all times, no sickies, gossip, etc! 5. have an action plan and an objectives map and re-evaluate your posiiton every 12 months. try never to stay in a job if it is simply paying the bills. sorry if this is negative, and i don't know your personal situation but i think a lot of people who complain about stuff like this could do with re-evaluating themselves and their attitudes before pointing the finger!

05-07-06, 06:47 PM	#9
kwak zzr Guest Posts: n/a	i like step number (5) ive been in the same job for 17 years just paying the bills

05-07-06, 07:16 PM	#10
Beenz Guest Posts: n/a	I know exactly how you feel. I worked for a company that is (gl)sadly now gone. Some good mates were there. I'd been working there for 17 years and just could not progress with my manager who had an ego larger than Brazil. He was superior and that was that. I'll not bore you with detail but because I'd been there (the same company but not the same job) for a long time and I was looked upon as "he's been with us for a very long time on that pay and has a house" so why pay more or treat him better? They did have a point. New starters were overtaking my salery in a few years and getting the benefits. They pay as little as they can get away with right. It's in business to make as much money as possible. To cut the story short, I applied for an got offerred a better job, relocated 80 miles away have been treated like I should have been. I doubled my salary in 7 years. I've since changed job every three years or so which works for me. Personally, If I'd been shouted at as you have for such a trivial thing I'd walk. You clearly have a portable and valuable skill set. Once I've sent my CV for a job, it's only a matter of time before I'm off. Do not threaten to go unless you can show the manager your offer. They will call your bluff, it's what they are tought to do, they react only whan the offer is there by which time it's too late. Good luck!