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What is your reasoning behind wanting to bring our troops back from Afghanistan?

While I agree we should better equip, pay and rest them, I believe we're doing an important job out there, and I would think most of the forces staged there would agree.

Undoubtedly a popular policy but this has to be paid for somehow - did the BNP provide any explanation as to how they would make up the shortfall in fuel duty?

What is so bad about someone wanting to make a better life for themselves here? If you're being persecuted in your home country because of your beliefs, then I'm extremely proud that I live in a nation where we'll give you a safe home.

While I agree with you in principal about learning English and respecting and abiding by our values and laws, I think most immigrants are willing to do so. The ones that aren't generally won't do too well.

I also think the whole "coming here to scrounge" aspect is vastly exaggerated. The massive majority of immigrants come here to work and earn a better living than they would in their birth nation. If they're paying taxes then I don't have a problem with that. The fact that you're born here shouldn't give you any more of a right to a particular job - it should be based completely on merit (so no positive discrimination either).

I don't have any stats to back this up, but my expectations would be that if you adjusted for population sizes of white people vs minorities in the UK (i.e. you took an equal sample of both), a significantly larger proportion of benfit claimants would be white. Obviously with no data it's little more than an opinion - anyone know where we can find statistics?

PS - I'd rather have Peter Griffin in charge than Nick Griffin.

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It was the USA's war, I'm fairly sure that there wouldnt have been the 7/7 bombings if We had stayed out

Other countries manage, I was talking to a guy from Sweden and he was saying that petrol over there was 60p I don't know if he was lying or not but if he was telling the truth then it makes the already extortionate prices we pay for our petrol even worse. Raise taxes on fags and booze or even make cannabis legal and tax that (might not be too popular among some but I'm guessing its probably far safer than alcohol) and where does the money from 'safety camera's' go? my road tax? because the roads sure as hell are getting worse every time I go out

Why THIS country, were overpopulated and treated like second class citizens in our own country over asaylum seekers and immigrants. And if your coming here from some where your being persecuted then chances are you'll have travelled through alot of countries with decent living standards, but were a soft touch so thats why theyre coming here

Unless they end up living in a little community of like minded people then they have 'no need' to intergrate but as soon as they want to do something out of there little segregated community the tax payers are the ones paying for the translators etc

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This bleeding heart liberal finds some of the comments on here downright scary. Oh for more enlightened times.

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It is interesting to look at the number of votes the BNP got. They got a larger share of the vote, but a slightly lower number of total votes. It appears to me that they have a hardcore of support that they have managed to keep motivated to vote, rather than a swing of votes (other interpretations are available)

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Awesome :D Sweden has one of the highest, if the highest rate of personal taxation in the world! Look at the big picture, their income tax is gigantic, their VAT is nearly twice ours.

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Do you have an example where you have been treated unequally to someone from a minority? I'm not saying I don't believe you, it's just that I hear this "second class citizens in our own country" line a fair bit and I don't really know where it comes from?

Official statistics say you are still 6 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police if you're a young black or Asian person. If that's not being a second class citizen I don't know what is?

Is it really that much of a surprise that minorities tend to live in communities when historically they've been treated pretty terribly by the natives? Brits have done exactly the same thing in countries like Spain, it's a natural instinct to want a bit of familiarity around you when you're in a new place.

I do agree that the government shouldn't be funding translators for public services though. English lessons yes, but they shouldn't be enabling people to continue not to integrate.

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I'll give you an example of the first question you asked. My mother (English) suffers from severe arthritis and has born the brunt of what you appear to be doubting exists. She has had to wait months for operations, while she goes to a group thing (don't know exactly what it is, bit like a coffee morning / support group) every week where there's a Pakistani lady who has just had a plethera of operations with minimal waiting time. I'm not getting on my high horse, I'm just stating that the situation exists.

In respect of your second point, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Police stop and search programmes geographically planned to target areas that are known for high activity levels of drugs, weapons etc? I'd be interested to see a comparison of this stat against the relevant figures for black, "asian" and "white" population of the area.

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I dont find it a coincidence that org members local to me have similar oppinions some with insite and some with intensity but I'd put a wager on the people who seem left'er simply live in places where this isnt a visable problem. Round here it is, I grew up in a nice area but moved out to not so nice area and the difference was a slap in the face. Maybe thats all this arguement lacks, some perspective.

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The main point is, while understanding your viewpoint, and those of people from your area, its still no excuse to put Nazi's in power.

I do however think that if they did some research they would regret what they did - but they only see the BNP as they portray themselves today, ie suited and booted, not in their old regalia of t-shirted and jackbooted........

Even Daimo was caught out by this if I read this thread properly

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Oh aye, SK dont get me wrong Im sure you've read my previous posts Im in no way a supporter of the BNP. I was just stating that there is obviusly something within the fact that it seems the Yorkshrie folk have a similar stance to each other.
I dont mean we're all Nazis *****s or anything but its odd how we seem to have been rubbed up at bit more than the other orgers.