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RichT 26-11-08 11:24 AM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
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Originally Posted by keithd (Post 1698008)
VAT

:D lmao

Dangerous Dave 26-11-08 11:27 AM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
He was purposely speeding and he knew it, he got caught, and he got punished. Stop whining and trying to make money from your dumb a*s antics.

Ceri JC 26-11-08 11:29 AM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
"I was kept in a cell overnight because in their eyes I was too much of a danger to the public to be released that day."

Utterly unnecessary scare tactics in order to make him realise how serious it was IMO. They'd conviscated his bike and lid, did they really have any reason to expect him to borrow a mate's bike and do it again, or go on some sort of GTA-style rampage in revenge against society?

Biker Biggles 26-11-08 11:35 AM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceri JC (Post 1698024)
"I was kept in a cell overnight because in their eyes I was too much of a danger to the public to be released that day."

Utterly unnecessary scare tactics in order to make him realise how serious it was IMO. They'd conviscated his bike and lid, did they really have any reason to expect him to borrow a mate's bike and do it again, or go on some sort of GTA-style rampage in revenge against society?


Agreed.I often see scrotes pulled by the bill who cant produce ID but who have commited offences(traffic or public order)and they are not even arrested let alone kept in overnight.They knew exactly who this bloke was,so he was unlikely to do an Azil Nadir to Cyprus before going to court.

Dangerous Dave 26-11-08 11:40 AM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceri JC (Post 1698024)
"I was kept in a cell overnight because in their eyes I was too much of a danger to the public to be released that day."

Utterly unnecessary scare tactics in order to make him realise how serious it was IMO. They'd conviscated his bike and lid, did they really have any reason to expect him to borrow a mate's bike and do it again, or go on some sort of GTA-style rampage in revenge against society?

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Originally Posted by Biker Biggles (Post 1698029)
Agreed.I often see scrotes pulled by the bill who cant produce ID but who have commited offences(traffic or public order)and they are not even arrested let alone kept in overnight.They knew exactly who this bloke was,so he was unlikely to do an Azil Nadir to Cyprus before going to court.

What he fails to truthfully mention is the way he acted when he was caught, the police will treat you in accordance to the manor you are perceived when you are apprehended.

RichT 26-11-08 11:44 AM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
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Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave (Post 1698021)
He was purposely speeding and he knew it, he got caught, and he got punished. Stop whining and trying to make money from your dumb a*s antics.

+1 - harsh, but true.... he knew what he was doing and he got caught. Although I do think the extended evidence gathering was a step too far.

Ceri JC 26-11-08 11:53 AM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
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Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave (Post 1698034)
What he fails to truthfully mention is the way he acted when he was caught, the police will treat you in accordance to the manor you are perceived when you are apprehended.

Did he kick off at the police/resist arrest or something then?

Richie 26-11-08 12:09 PM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
Just goes to prove that drug use (excessive Speed) and bikes don't mix... what was the question again...?

DanAbnormal 26-11-08 12:15 PM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
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Originally Posted by keithd (Post 1698008)
VAT

ROFL!!!!

Yeah, I sort of feel a little sorry for him. Doesn't sound like a bad guy but then what he did was damn risky. The Police biker was also a danger to everyone else yet I bet he got a pat on the back. The Police should not endanger the public when chasing criminals, perhaps a niaeve look on things but it's the only view I have being Joe Public. Anyway, I guess be more mindful in 30's and don't assume the bike behind you isn't a copper!

grh1904 26-11-08 12:53 PM

Re: Michael Collins the 140mph biker
 
I get TWO delivered as I subscribe to it, however I do have an issue with the slightly biased stance of the report. There are many factual errors within the report that would tend to mislead the public.

For example, the report makes quite a lot about this chap claiming his girlfriend didn't know where he was, the Police station when called said they didn't know where he was AND it even goes on to say something (can't remember exactly what) about a missing persons report. WHAT A COMPLETE LOAD OF OLD BORLOX.

When anyone is arrested and taken into Police custody there is a certain procedure to follow. This procedure is laid out in an act of Parliament called PACE. Police & Criminal Evidence Act. If these procedures are not followed then a persons detention could be deemed unlawfull and as a result any evidence gained from interview could be ruled inadmissable at court, and subsequent conviction ruled unsafe etc etc.

A person is taken into custody, the officer outlines the circumstances of the arrest to the custody Sergeant who decides whether to authorise detention or not. If yes he must inform the person of this, and the custody Sergeant MUST straight away give the person the following rights:-

1. You have the right to have someone informed that you have been arrested.

2. You have the right to consult with an independant solicitor free of charge either in person or on the phone.

3. You can consult a copy of the codes of practice, that's a book covering Police powers and procedures.

4. You can do any of those things now, or at any time whilst detained at this Police station.

If the detained person is under the influence of ANY substances then once they are sober etc the rights are gone through again.

Having read the report and knowing how the Police procedure works, I know that there is a real amount of bias in this report. He had the right at any time to have someone informed. Only in exceptional circumstances can a senior officer take away the persons right to have someone informed, for example drug traffiking, murder, serious assaults where there is more than one offender etc.

Also, the remand in Police custody appears to have been "flowered op/over" a bit as well. I had invlovment with a drink driver a couple of years ago, who blew almost 4 times the limit. At the time of blowing this person had 2 impending prosecutions for drink driving. I and my colleague asked for a remand in custody to go before the court on Monday morning, on the grounds that this perosn was obviously not going to stop and represented a real danger to the public etc, Our request was declined. Again knowing how the system works I would say that there may have been more to this than has been reported, for example did he give the Police false details or something, has he been in trouble before and has a history of failing to answer his bail, was he wanted in connection with another matter etc.

Just my opinion on having read the report. It's all too easy to jump on the blame the Polis bandwagon. If a person is deemed to have been treated harshly, blame the Police, if a person appears to have been treated to softly, blame the Police.


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