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Dave20046 04-01-09 12:43 PM

Re: Engraving EU/BS markings on a race can.
 
I didn't know they'd insure non road legal. Although I was talking more about when the bike is being swept up....

ArtyLady 04-01-09 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1733749)
I didn't know they'd insure non road legal. Although I was talking more about when the bike is being swept up....

The only problem is the insurer you are with may not accept them. What would happen in the above scenario? I have no idea and dont intend to find out! [-o<

startrek.steve 04-01-09 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1733736)
Has anyone ever had an issue with insurance and mentioning racecans? I'm guessing not as most of you will be able to afford premiums/avoid crashes.

Yep, I claimed on my insurance (Write-off) and they mentioned the "race use only" markings, my heart dropped, but they then said because I had informed them of the non-standard can, they would pay up!
Not complaining though!
Steve

Dave20046 04-01-09 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by startrek.steve (Post 1733910)
Yep, I claimed on my insurance (Write-off) and they mentioned the "race use only" markings, my heart dropped, but they then said because I had informed them of the non-standard can, they would pay up!
Not complaining though!
Steve

Hypothetically speaking of course if I was third party fire and theft anyway it doesn't seem too much of a risk insuring it as completely standard in comparison to the raise in premium. Would I be wrong in thinking that?

Baph 04-01-09 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave (Post 1733722)
Has anyone got any links to this change in law, not MOT, that you nolonger need a 'E' or 'BS' stamp?

No links from me, just conversations with a local MOT test centre, and "local" plod.

One of the plod I've talked to was at Ponderosa, stopping bikes & purposefully checking exhausts/plates as they entered the car park. His words were basically "So long as it doesn't say 'not for road use' or words to that effect, you wouldn't get a ticket."

In the case of insurance & accidents, it's been known for repairers to ask if you want an aftermarket exhaust, as they're cheaper than stock ones!

speedplay 04-01-09 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1733736)
Has anyone ever had an issue with insurance and mentioning racecans? I'm guessing not as most of you will be able to afford premiums/avoid crashes.


My bike was written off in august with a renegade race can on it.
Police were involved (as they had caused it) and I had no problems.

I had it recovered back to my address and slipped on the standard can and screen ect before it was collected to be scrapped.

Dangerous Dave 05-01-09 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1733736)
Has anyone ever had an issue with insurance and mentioning racecans?

No, my insurance company know the M4 system is not marked and not road legal. However, the Akrapovic system is on the documents as road legal, which it is but only with the baffle in.

I will say that it is best to declare it, and any modification you make. I was involved in an accident where I was hiot side on whilst stationary, I didn't declare my SRAD front end and the other insurance company tried to declare me uninsured to the court. Bear in mind I was stationary, the front end or braking had no involvment in the accident.

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Originally Posted by Baph (Post 1733926)
No links from me, just conversations with a local MOT test centre, and "local" plod.

I don't think it is a law, I think it is just depends on the police in your area as to how they play it. I know in Dorset you need to have a 'E' or 'BS' stamp, the traffic police will tell you this too, the police look for the stamp and if it has no stamp you get a ticket. If it wasn't applicable how come everything comes stamped, including reflectors and lenses?

I agree that it isn't required at MOT time, its the tester discretion, but I am talking about the Polices view which I haven't yet seen anything stated you no longer need an approved stamp.

Stig 05-01-09 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtyLady (Post 1733745)
Hubby and I just declare we have non road legal cans and the broker find insurers who will accept them. :cool:

Same here. I have a letter stating that. :)

timwilky 05-01-09 01:14 PM

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Agreed MOT does not need any stamps, this went some years ago. It is now a simple subjective test, and any stamping must not say "Not for road use", "Race use only" etc.

However, Plod is not VOSA. They do not work by MOT rules, but by the law. The law states that the bike must conform with construction and use regulations, and that requires an exhaust to be stamped with E or BS stamps. Most plod are ignorant of the C&U requirements.

Chances are that you would only get a rectification notice, you ride down to your pet MOT man who says "Yes, it complies with the MOT requirement" stamps the rectification notice and away you go having done nothing but exploit the difference between the two sets of requirements.

Dangerous Dave 05-01-09 01:22 PM

Re: Engraving EU/BS markings on a race can.
 
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Originally Posted by timwilky (Post 1734695)
Agreed MOT does not need any stamps, this went some years ago. It is now a simple subjective test, and any stamping must not say "Not for road use", "Race use only" etc.

However, Plod is not VOSA. They do not work by MOT rules, but by the law. The law states that the bike must conform with construction and use regulations, and that requires an exhaust to be stamped with E or BS stamps. Most plod are ignorant of the C&U requirements.

Chances are that you would only get a rectification notice, you ride down to your pet MOT man who says "Yes, it complies with the MOT requirement" stamps the rectification notice and away you go having done nothing but exploit the difference between the two sets of requirements.

Thats exactly what I thought Tim, I haven't seen anything that says differently and I have a friend who is a high ranking traffic cop who tells me the same.


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