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kwak zzr 27-08-09 08:08 PM

Re: Beowulf end can Not legal ????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by timwilky (Post 2018547)
However, a well trained MOT tester will accept that a loud can is an essential safety feature.

too true.

Mr_Chin 28-08-09 04:26 AM

Re: Beowulf end can Not legal ????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by timwilky (Post 2018547)
Not true

The construction and use regulations require the stamps. That is a legal requirement.


VOSA rules for issuing an MOT certificate does not require stamps, but if the can is marked to say it is not for road use, race use only etc. Then it is is breach of the VOSA rules and should not pass a test.

There are no limits on the noise. Simply a subjective assessment that it is no noisier than a comparative model.

However, a well trained MOT tester will accept that a loud can is an essential safety feature.

What? You've just agreed with my statement though, bar the 'construction and use regulations' which are not needed for an MOT anyway. OP wanted to know if the exhaust would pass an MOT, which it did, so happy days. Chin

timwilky 28-08-09 09:57 AM

Re: Beowulf end can not legal?
 
Strange I see no mention of the OP asking if the can would pass an MOT etc.

His question (In the title) was "Beowolf end can not legal?". My reply is accurate. without BS/E stamps. The system fails to comply with the construction and use regulations and is thus illegal.

Others have referred to the MOT. I simply pointed out that VOSA MOT requirements are not a test that requires adherence to the C&U regs.

Therefore, you can ride out of a MOT workshop with a brand new certificate and immediately be hit with a fine of £30. I am no lawyer, but I think it is an offence under section 42 of the road traffic act to contravene the construction and use regulations. Our forum police friends will probably be more specific about the offence

Mr_Chin 28-08-09 10:10 AM

Re: Beowulf end can not legal?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by timwilky (Post 2019098)
Strange I see no mention of the OP asking if the can would pass an MOT etc.

His question (In the title) was "Beowolf end can not legal?". My reply is accurate. without BS/E stamps. The system fails to comply with the construction and use regulations and is thus illegal.

Others have referred to the MOT. I simply pointed out that VOSA MOT requirements are not a test that requires adherence to the C&U regs.

Therefore, you can ride out of a MOT workshop with a brand new certificate and immediately be hit with a fine of £30. I am no lawyer, but I think it is an offence under section 42 of the road traffic act to contravene the construction and use regulations. Our forum police friends will probably be more specific about the offence

Why would the OP ask his original question - just out of curiousity, I doubt it? I just thought ahead, and was right as OP just had an MOT done. Not being funny, but 'hit with a fine' for what? The can does not say FRUO, which is what the boys in blue would look for.
Anyway, OP passed the MOT - job done!
End
Chin

yorkie_chris 28-08-09 10:17 AM

Re: Beowulf end can not legal?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Chin (Post 2019118)
Why would the OP ask his original question - just out of curiousity, I doubt it? I just thought ahead, and was right as OP just had an MOT done. Not being funny, but 'hit with a fine' for what? The can does not say FRUO, which is what the boys in blue would look for.
Anyway, OP passed the MOT - job done!
End
Chin

Well there's 2 possible questions;

"will my can pass an MOT"
or
"will I get a fine if pulled by pork"

And it seems tim gave a full and clear answer.

My answer is usually if it matters for the MOT, then you have a defective MOT tester. And if you're worried about £30 fine, crash damage costs more to sort than that!

timwilky 28-08-09 10:24 AM

Re: Beowulf end can not legal?
 
Believe me, the boys in blue who know their stuff and enforce C&U everyday will/do look for the correct stamps. and impose fixed penalty notices for their breach

Have a look at the motorcycle exhaust section of http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/regulationsforpoweredtwoandt4564


Quote:

Originally Posted by The rules
(d) Exhausts - on motorcycles first used on or after 1 January 1985 the silencer which forms part of the exhaust system must be either:
(i) that with which the machine was first fitted; or
(ii) clearly and indelibly marked with :-
-the relevant BS marking BS AU 193/T2, BS AU 193a, 1990/T2, BS AU 193a, 1990/T3; or
-the relevant "e" marking to show compliance with EC Directive 89/235; or the relevant "e" marking to show compliance with Chapter 9 of EC Directive 97/24; or
-the name or trade mark of the manufacturer or marked with that manufacturer's part number - relating to it.
The European Community noise limits applicable to new motorcycles first used from 1 April 1991 are:
Motorcycle Category by cm3
Limits in dB(A)
Up to and including 80
77
Between 80 and 175 (incl.)
79
Above 175
82
Motorcycles approved to EU Directive 97/24/EC, Chapter 9 will be 2dB(A) less than the above figures.
(Note: the precise regulations for motorcycle exhausts are complex and it is recommended that they are studied closely to obtain accurate and complete details of the requirements).
Before buying any replacement parts for systems listed in this section, riders should check for the relevant marks, where applicable. These will include an "e" mark for EC Directives, an "E" mark for ECE Regulations and "BS" for British Standards.


Mr_Chin 28-08-09 10:27 AM

Re: Beowulf end can not legal?
 
This relates to OEM exhaust:
"that with which the machine was first fitted"

yorkie_chris 28-08-09 10:28 AM

Re: Beowulf end can not legal?
 
(i) that with which the machine was first fitted; or
(ii) clearly and indelibly marked with :-

See?

Daywalker 28-08-09 01:02 PM

Re: Beowulf end can not legal?
 
Thanks for all your feed back some interesting points mentioned, i've had a good look all over the can & there's NO lettering NO numbers NO evidence of any buffing/polishing out at all its completley naked.i'll just ride it and see if i cop for a fine etc or a warning.


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