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Lozzo 04-03-10 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshine (Post 2201521)
Surely instead of making the bike test hard they should make the car test hard which is where the highest cause of accidents comes from.
The Yanks teach how to drive in school and are taught better hazard awareness because they are taught the risks more maybe this should be taught in school/college in the UK if it could help.

Having worked in the States on and off for three years, I can quite catagorically say that driving standards amongst youngsters over the pond are worse than they are here. They may have been taught the basic mechanics of driving, but the hazard perception and general common sense is severely lacking.

keith_d 04-03-10 11:20 PM

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Hopefully, in the event of an accident you'd have the other driver as a witness that the biker undertook them at high speed on the approach to the roundabout. That is providing they were taxed, insured and bothered to stop.

urbane1 05-03-10 04:52 AM

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Having driven in both the UK and Canada, I would say UK drivers are more aggresive but better capable of handling their cars. Here the majority of drivers are sloppy, inattentive and lack basic car handling skills. This is especially apparent when the roads are ice and snow covered. A typical wnter commuting morning in Calgary can easily see over 100 fender benders (in a city of 1 million)

Alpinestarhero 05-03-10 08:45 AM

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"fender bender"

what a great term

mind you, when we get snow, we all panic and become stricken and our whole economy collapses around us. Nuclear war would be kinder :lol:

Dicky Ticker 05-03-10 09:06 AM

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Yeh---you would be dead and not have to worry about it;)

-Ralph- 05-03-10 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lozzo (Post 2201782)
in the States... general common sense is severely lacking.

This is a surprise why?

Nij 05-03-10 10:24 AM

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Maybe part of the problem is car design, On my bike i am exposed but can see everything, in the car the mirors are just fine but every other view is obstructed by door pillars and head rests. I do agree that as bikers we need to take some resposibility to make ourselves easier to see and to ride sensibley

Alpinestarhero 05-03-10 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nij (Post 2202025)
Maybe part of the problem is car design, On my bike i am exposed but can see everything, in the car the mirors are just fine but every other view is obstructed by door pillars and head rests. I do agree that as bikers we need to take some resposibility to make ourselves easier to see and to ride sensibley

Its not a maybe, it IS part of the problem. I'm having driving lessons in a Yaris at the moment, and the pillars obstruct my veiw constantly, I hate it. I have to lean all over the place to get as clear weiw of the road and the surroundings that I get on my bike sitting in one place.

My dad's Mk II golf GTi has thinner pillars which are not anywhere near as obstructing to the drivers vision

Owenski 05-03-10 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Biker Biggles (Post 2201572)
We have had the argument here before and it always ruffles a few feathers but there is a school of thought that says any accident you are involved in is always partially your fault.Not legally, as in insurance or criminal liability,but there is always something you could have done to anticipate and prevent the incident.I dont wholly agree with this POV but as bikers its certainly worth thinking about,because we always come off worse,whoever was technically at fault.

Spot on BB :)

I commute with a hi-viz lights always on no baffle and fingers and toes crossed. When driving the same route by car it does suprise me how little can be seen from a cagers view point.
I dont think people should be made to ride scooters, they should be made to ride 200/250ish bikes. Scooter and 50cc bike riders seem stuck thinking the only way to get out of a pickle is to brake but IMO more often than not a little bit of gas to get out of a sticky situation is far better than braking and relying on someone else to manover to aviod an incident.
I might be wrong but is it meant to be the Finland lot who are the best drivers in the world because their test/learning involves learning how to skid learning how to drift a car to drive on gravel etc? This IMO is brilliant and I agree 100% if you can d1ck around in a motor then in situaitons where things start going wrong you dont panic you handle it and everything ends up ok.

urbane1 05-03-10 03:32 PM

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I think that a lot of drivers feel that with four wheel drive, abs, esc, tc, etc. they can drive at the max speed limit not matter what the road or weather conditions. When the first snow arrives here you see no end of 4x4's in the ditch because they think they can stop and go no matter what the roads are like. Also in their mini-tanks the view is "ïf I have an accident I'll be ok, so who cares"


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