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Spank86 24-04-14 11:22 AM

Re: Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
That's not a burn, just an explanation.

Matt-EUC 24-04-14 11:23 AM

Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
What would happen if we just stopped spending money we didn't have?

PyroUK 24-04-14 11:24 AM

Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
Unintentional (as in the case of DJ) burning is still burning.

PyroUK 24-04-14 11:24 AM

Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt-EUC (Post 2950171)
What would happen if we just stopped spending money we didn't have?


The economy and most business would grind to a shattering halt

Spank86 24-04-14 11:38 AM

Re: Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt-EUC (Post 2950171)
What would happen if we just stopped spending money we didn't have?

We'd be bankrupt before the end of the year and lots of public services would shut down.

Plus if we paid off all debt and ceased issuing it there would be a large hole where the gilt market used to be.


The UK's never been in the position of having no debt and neither had England since (probably well) before the hundred years war.

Matt-EUC 24-04-14 11:40 AM

Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
It really astonishes me that they said their strategy to reduce borrowing was to increase borrowing.

Sid Squid 24-04-14 12:36 PM

Re: Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
Huge borrowing...

Hmmm...

What to do...?

I know! Let's make some cuts - that'll be a popular way of easing the problem, no?

State spending = public money = taxes/borrowing.

A stunningly simple equation that too few people want to understand. Nothing is free, everything has a cost. The mindless, endless expectation of, and reliance on, state spending has the greatest price.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spank86 (Post 2950175)
The UK's never been in the position of having no debt and neither had England since (probably well) before the hundred years war.

True - maybe it's become a bit of a problem now though?

Matt-EUC 24-04-14 12:39 PM

Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
Legalise cannabis and tax similarly to cigarettes.

Instant billions.

ClunkintheUK 24-04-14 12:40 PM

Re: Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
Best way to reduce borrow is to make money. you need to spend money to make money. (is the play school explanation).

The problem isn't necessarily the headline borrowing figure, but what you do with it. If they use the increase in borrowing to help businesses hire apprentices or tax breaks for entrepreneurs who will spend the money hiring people or even certain types of investors, then more business is done. more business means more work need to be done, which means more people need to be hired, so fewer people on the dole.

To give an idea, most big companies will work with between 1 and 3 turns of debt, i.e. up to about 3 times as much debt as their Earnings Before Interest Tax Depreciation and Amortisation. Average government debt of about 1.3 times average earning per earner would not seem to unreasonable (but I could be wrong, I was a corporate banker not a sovereign banker).

Also there is nothing wrong with spending other peoples money. You use their money while they don't need it (i.e. I am 30 and won't need my retirement savings for about 40 years (probably)) in return you give them back a little more then they gave you. difference is what you spend it on.

Matt-EUC 24-04-14 12:41 PM

Government borrowing for last year = £107,700,000,000
 
Also, stop building unnecessary railways!!! You don't need to get from London to Birmingham in 2 hours. We have skype, we have conference calling, we have the internet! What can a business person do in Birmingham that he can't do on the phone in London?

(I forgot where the train is actually from/to I just guessed)


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