I'm 10 stone with muscles to match, and when I did it I was still on crutches :) The croppers were ones you cna buy in good DIY stores. It's not so much "under a minute" as "as long as it takes to line the croppers up and cut". Most £100 chains are effectively no better than a £10 chain but there's a couple out there that are, and the Almax is one of them- if you belive their hype (and I do) you can't cut them with hand tools. English Chain CO have one that's similiar uncroppable, but it's overhardened and so breaks easily with a hammer.

Incidentally, peeps might have seen the MCN test where they showed that gasp! You can break an Almax with a hammer. You may not have seen the correction they posted, when they admitted that every other chain was broken with a hammer while fitted to the bike, while the Almax was broken with repeated sledghammer blows on a sharp-edge anvil :shock: It passed the test that every other lock was subjected to and (from memory) failed.

I think I'll still go for the Almax, I can't have another bike stolen outside my home. lAmax, cover, couple of rape alarms rigged to the cover... shotgun by the window. sorted.

It'll be used evrynight and I'll leave it at home in the day. I've got secure parking at work so if I'm ever going out after work I'll ride it to work and leave it there rather than leave it at home.

these theiving fecks make life such a pain in the ****!

Just had a thought,
When the chain is at any height they have to wedge one leg of the cropper against the floor.
If you had a garage surface that denied a tool a grip this would be impossable for them to get the leverage on.
It would only have to be a small strip either side of the bike in addition to a good set of locks and chains.

Yes you could sabotage the surface but it's another way to slow them down and force them to make more noise and would be very cheap to set up and boost the power of the chain/lock sollution =p.

Or am I just in fantasy land here :)

That would also make it fairly hard to get on and off your bike without falling over :)

I'm considering gettting an almax chain; what one should I get? I dont have the greatest amount of money, but i figure £60 would get me something good? If not, I guess I can spend more. Cheaper than buying a new bike..

Matt

Lol I don't mean an oil slick type surface that you couldn't walk on just one that has a low enough friction that you couldn't exert the sort of pressure on it that they seem to need to operate the croppers without it slipping :)

Annnyway, why aren't they trying to crop the locks in stead when they can't get at the chain?
If I'm spending money on an uncropable chain I want to secure it with an uncropable lock otherwise it's a glorified paperweight :)

The squire padlocks are very strong I hear... With decent crops you don't need a huge amount of leverage, you could just put it between your feet or something. You can do it with neither handle on teh ground apparently,though I've not seen that.

To flip this whole problem on its head, change the law to allow people to beat-up/wedgie/violate with a hot end can, anyone found within 500m of a motorbike/scooter with giant croppers.....an "open season" on bike thiefs if you will.

N.B Any scrotes lurking near bikes with caps/socks tucked into trackies are also legitimate targets :P ...unlucky for them if they happen to ride scooters!

Watched the Almax Series vid now, impressive over the others 8)

Certainly worth getting over any of the others in the test, but as I said before if they want it they will have it ... a bit of 'freeze-spray' / nitrogen on it and it'd shatter with a simple blow from a hammer!! ;) Have to admit that from a bolt cropper only point of view - ACE :)

How about this ... how far do those bolt croppers open? 30mm???? A simple alternative would be to simply make the/your chain too fat for the bolt croppers ... it doesn't even have to be the links themselves ... So how about get some metal pipe - doesn't need to be overly heavy duty, just over the diameter of the bolt croppers jaws ... and slide the chain inside that ... use a 'pipe bender' to get it to a usable shape and a couple of 45 deg sliced ends to complete the other side so it sits in an effective 'D' shape ... bingo another layer of deterrent?!!? 8) It'd then need hacksaw through the pipe shield before they even get to have a go at the chain 8)

No it wont. :wink: Dont ask me why but i have tried it myself and it didnt work. 2 cans of the freeze spray on a link in an enclosed bag then smashed with a very heavy sledge hammer and it was fine.

infact the fat bald guy in that vid also has attracked a almax chain with thermite and even that didnt didnt work.

£60 might get you a 1m chain with no lock but very litlle else. the almaxs are expensive but ulitmately worth it. budget £120 for a chain and ss65c lock