Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

I've got the restrictors fitted (suzuki kit) but no cert.

Rang local plod who looked on database, he couldn't find any law saying how the bike has to be restricted.

Rang insurance, their words "so many bikes are sold restricted without papers, we dont need to see the paperwork, but if you claim our engineers will check that it is restricted"

Local bike shop said "FI international state that you need a certificate and a sticker on your frame, you need to get your bike on their central records otherwise you have no insurance.." etc etc. (local bike shop also said using car oil will blow up my engine...)


So, am I going to get shot for not giving FI international £75?

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

Yup, this is more or less how it works, unless the Police get involved, when being unable to produce documentation can be sticky. This seems to be very, very rare though. For insurance purposes, they only usually start paying attention after a claim, and they can verify it easily enough when they have the bike (and yes, folks, insurers certainly do check, it's worth paying a mechanic for an hour's labour to check the carb slides, throttle stops, ECU or whatever it may be, if it stops them having to pay out on an insurance claim)

ANyone who tells you "You're not insured" is wrong, btw, and you should take that into account when deciding who to listen to ;) You're still insured, you're just committing insurance fraud, which is potentially much worse. Your third party insurance can't be invalidated by your actions, that's the law and quite right, but the insurance company will almost certainly take legal action against you. Insurance fraud does not look good on your CV, and it'll make it interesting getting insurance in future- not to mention the fact that they'll try and recover any costs from you.

In other words, it's The Shaft. Wee bit off topic, but it's maybe worth mentioning for others reading.

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

Yes but;

I'm not claiming to have a certificate (so not a false declaration), I'm claiming the bike is restricted (which it is, suzuki 33bhp sliders fitted, by me)

So basically, is it a legal requirement to have proof? hence is the restriction cert included in the "failure to produce" offence?


And heres something else for a resident legal expert, fitting an aftermarket can, which could possibly make 34bhp instead of 33bhp, has anyone had problems with this? possible problems which could arise? Personally I would see this area as so grey that it would be easy to contest in court...

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

Failure to produce is probably an offence- it did used to be, but that might have changed. But that's not the same as being legally required to have it. Ah, how glad am I that I stopped dealing with legal stuff :)

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

No it'll just mess up your clutch.

As for the exhaust - If you went the certificate route I think you'd be fine as you now have your piece of paper. If you go the DIY route I'd worry you were asking for trouble, unless you say got the bike Dyno'd which might show good faith.

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

If it helps I had mine (K3) restricted by the Triumph dealer I bought it off second hand, I haven't got a certificate but I have got the original CDI unit so I can be pretty sure it's been done.

As far as I'm aware the certificate is a bit of a voluntary scheme - not law but they try to make it out that it is. If you had to claim surely they'd just pop the CDI unit off and check the model number?

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

i got the bill for the restrictor kit this morning.
£200 including labour. good job i just got paid.

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

Car oil will only mess up your clutch if its an 'energy saving' oil, the majority of them are fine.

Looks like I should get mine dyno'd then.


I do believe if you give the coppers reason to believe that you are illegally running a derestricted bike then the worst they can do is take you to a dyno station anyway, and my worry is that my 'can has pushed mine to 34bhp, though whether they would take that to court or not is another question.

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

Dynos aren't precise peices of kit. Even if your bike did register 34bhp, considering an unrestricted bike makes twice that, it couldn't really be argued that you'd not restricted it - you'd just be arguing the toss about whether the dyno was accurate.

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?
 

Good point, might even be 32hp on a hot day and 34 when its cold.

I think I'm alright anyway, my insurance is fine and if the police couldn't find a law telling me I must have a certificate then I doubt I'm going to get done for it.

Be right, I'm doing the right thing anyway, there's enough people running with perfectly legit certificates and the kits removed (cue the :smt014 war about that one)

I should probably be more worried about the baffle which accidentally fell out of my exhaust lol


By the way; 200 quid!!! you poor sod! I paid 30 for my secondhand 33hp throttle slides!