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Biker_Billy 03-10-07 11:17 AM

Re: New C & S - Rivetting Question...
 
Right - Managed to get the old rivet off the chain, and a new one supplied from B & C fitted. After guidance from the extremely helpful Mr. Spannerman, I have managed to get this done - much happier!!

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1...0295ph6.th.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4...0297vr8.th.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5...0299ab0.th.jpg

Thanks for all your input!!

Billy.

Luckypants 03-10-07 01:00 PM

Re: New C & S - Rivetting Question...
 
What a useful thread! Can you tell us what you did wrong? I guess it is in the rivetting technique?

Biker_Billy 03-10-07 02:30 PM

Re: New C & S - Rivetting Question...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Luckypants (Post 1304254)
What a useful thread! Can you tell us what you did wrong? I guess it is in the rivetting technique?


I think you mean "what a rivetting thread"....?

I'll get me coat!

Well, I didn't realise that the rivet should be knurled over at 90 degree angles - to give the squarish shape in the pics above. What I had done was to just hammer like hell, and rounded it off - also splitting the rivet in the process.

Now the rivet looks similar to the others on the chain, and more importantly, due to the help form people on this forum, am happy that it has been done safely...so I can get on and ride...

Would you believe it, the sun is just coming out!!

Billy.

Spanner Man 03-10-07 02:39 PM

Re: New C & S - Rivetting Question...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Biker_Billy (Post 1304335)
I think you mean "what a rivetting thread"....?

Billy.

That has GOT to be one of the worst puns I've seen on here for a long time:D

Get out in that sun!

Cheers.

Ashy 03-10-07 03:08 PM

Re: New C & S - Rivetting Question...
 
I know it's already solved, but it looked like the first one you hammered the sh*t out of it until it was flat, like your metalwork teacher taught you in CDT at school :P

Looking at the shape of the other rivets, it looks like it's a couple of taps with a good weight one side, rotate 90 degrees and same again, just to get the 4 edges knocked out properly and the main body of the rivet untouched.

Just my 2p worth :D

Biker_Billy 03-10-07 03:15 PM

Re: New C & S - Rivetting Question...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashy (Post 1304378)
I know it's already solved, but it looked like the first one you hammered the sh*t out of it until it was flat, like your metalwork teacher taught you in CDT at school :P

Looking at the shape of the other rivets, it looks like it's a couple of taps with a good weight one side, rotate 90 degrees and same again, just to get the 4 edges knocked out properly and the main body of the rivet untouched.

Just my 2p worth :D

No it wasnt flat - look at the picture of the tool (no, not me!), and you will see that the V shape means you cant hammer it flat. What I had done is hammer it all the way around, not at 90 degree intervals.

I think the bit you said in the second paragraph is what I said in mine - :) - Spannerman set me straight..

Biker_Billy 04-01-08 12:09 PM

Re: New C & S - Rivetting Question...
 
Bloomin 'eck...sorry to drag this thread back up....but..

went out to look at the bike the other day, though I'd check the rivet link I put on a few months ago, as well as other checks as was thinking about going for a ride...and I found that one of the 'O' rings between the sideplate and the link was missing?!?!?

The rivet is still ok, looks like nothing has moved - dont think the sideplate was on too tight as I checked the measurements of others with a set of verniers...just to make sure that the side plate wasn't 'pinching' the seal..

But now I'm missing an o-ring - so got to get on the phone to B & C and se if the can send me (yet another) rivet link...will have to cut this one off and replace it...

Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else? Wondered what I could have done wrong? The o-ring was definately there when I put it on in October, and dont recall seeing it missing till the other day....:confused:

Bummer!

YZEtc 04-01-08 12:27 PM

Re: New C & S - Rivetting Question...
 
My guess is that the bottom image in post #11 shows the flared edges of the riveted pin heads not actually touching the chain link plate, and the plate appears free to move outward until it could touch the flared ends of the pins.

Since the side plates are typically a press fit onto the pins, you probably didn't notice or become concerned with the gap between the two parts because it probably didn't move while having the chain in your hands.

I'd imagine that the gap on the other side of the link plate (on the X-ring side) got large enough so that the rubber X-ring was no longer adequately squashed, wasn't making a seal, and eventually got all tore up and dropped out like a hippie on drugs.

If, in fact, the side plate had not actually moved as compared to where it was when you first did it, then, that's a good question.

Biker_Billy 04-01-08 12:33 PM

Re: New C & S - Rivetting Question...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YZEtc (Post 1378169)
My guess is that the bottom image in post #11 shows the flared edges of the riveted pin heads not actually touching the chain link plate, and the plate appears free to move outward until it could touch the flared ends of the pins.

Since the side plates are typically a press fit onto the pins, you probably didn't notice or become concerned with the gap between the two parts because it probably didn't move while having the chain in your hands.

I'd imagine that the gap on the other side of the link plate (on the X-ring side) got large enough so that the rubber X-ring was no longer adequately squashed, wasn't making a seal, and eventually got all tore up and dropped out like a hippie on drugs.

If, in fact, the side plate had not actually moved as compared to where it was when you first did it, then, that's a good question.


I think you are right - I cant be 100% sure that the sideplate hasnt moved, as I didnt make a note of the exact width.:smt075

Sounds like a reasonable explaination....must try harder next time...lol


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