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Sideshow#36 16-03-08 10:23 PM

Re: Bemsee Brands Indy Race Reports
 
I dont know what all the fuss is about. I think it worked perfectly.
Every rider is in the same position. If you are in the "A" class you should be faster than all B & C class riders. This isnt always the case as i'm in the C class and managed to finish above a few of the A & B riders in my races. Which was quite a good morale booster.

You cant do it on lap times as it wouldn't be a race. And splitting the 3 groups ito fast medium and slow wouldnt work either. One "rookie" may be amazingly quick at Brands Indy but may be awful at somewhere like snett.

As I said I think it works very well. Fair enough a B class rider may be able to get a race win whe he races against the C class riders, but the A class riders should be getting 2 race wins in that case. So where is the problem?

tranx 16-03-08 10:35 PM

Re: Bemsee Brands Indy Race Reports
 
I think its a problem without a perfect solution. However I also think the approach the club has taken is the best way forward to keep it as fair as possible.

tranx 17-03-08 08:30 AM

Re: Bemsee Brands Indy Race Reports
 
The problem with then running groups based on slow medium fast is that if you qualify in one of the slower groups for whatever reason (bad tyres, change of weather conditions, crash etc.) no matter how fast you are in the race you can't score ANY points.

I'll say it again, It's a problem with no perfect answer. I would think there would be far more complaints if only the A group (based on lap times in qualifying) could score points. You might as well go home after Saturday qualifying if that were the case.

tranx 17-03-08 10:00 AM

Re: Bemsee Brands Indy Race Reports
 
The reason being that with only 12 rookies you would have had 1 packed race and 1 race with almost no-one in it. You would then also need to run 4 races per day for minitwins rather than 3, time was short as it were.

Also several of the rookies were beating clubman riders and scoring main championship points (in the AvC race too, so its not just a slower race giving rookies points). Are they not allowed to compete in the main championship?

At our meetings qualifying only sets your first grid position for the weekend, the rest are done on finishing position in the previous race. If you can only get points if you qualify well then your setting 4 races worth of points (100 championship points!) on the line in a single 15 minute session.

While you do end up with some riders scoring more championship points than faster riders I think it will only be for the start of the year. Brands Hatch, first meeting of the year is going to be over-subscribed. Maybe a single grid will be possible at the next meeting? If it does continue then you solve the problem by seeding everyone randomly into the 3 groups. That way over the course of the season any "easy" or "hard" groups will even out points wise.

Sideshow#36 17-03-08 08:41 PM

Re: Bemsee Brands Indy Race Reports
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redbiker 954 (Post 1449738)
So glad I started this thread now (NOT)

It was started so that those that took part could post their results and race reports up and say what a good/bad weekend they had.

Since then it has been hi-jacked by a bunch of NUMPTIES .

Some who took part have a valid reason for not being too happy with the points system ,agreed, however the club in my mind is to be praised for coming up with a system to get everyone out racing,the alternative being 14 racers or so not taking part.

It's all very well for the armchair critics sitting at home saying things should be done this way or that way,however in the real world ----

Dont think I will bother posting race reports on here again,I thought that people may be interested rather than ripping the sh-t out of what happened.

We all have opinions and have the right to freedom of speech ,however there's a time and a place gentlemen, NOT hijacking a race report thread,we all have a choice as to where and who with we do our racing with.

THANKS A LOT

+1 My race reports can be found on my website.

tranx 17-03-08 08:43 PM

Re: Bemsee Brands Indy Race Reports
 
Sorry RedBiker, I didn't mean for this to go this far. I was trying to explain the situation and thought that as someone who had taken part I might be able to explain how those who took part felt about the weekend.

Please continue to contribute in the future, I like hearing other peoples experiences on track and I'm sure others do too.

Sideshow#36 17-03-08 09:42 PM

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stop!!!!!

twonk 18-03-08 09:15 AM

Re: Bemsee Brands Indy Race Reports
 
a few pics from the weekend by me. if any one wants any let me know.

J.

http://www.mtracing.co.uk/photos/brands090308/

DoodleBug 18-03-08 07:40 PM

Re: Bemsee Brands Indy Race Reports
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redbiker 954 (Post 1449738)
So glad I started this thread now (NOT)

It was started so that those that took part could post their results and race reports up and say what a good/bad weekend they had.

Since then it has been hi-jacked by a bunch of NUMPTIES .

Some who took part have a valid reason for not being too happy with the points system ,agreed, however the club in my mind is to be praised for coming up with a system to get everyone out racing,the alternative being 14 racers or so not taking part.

It's all very well for the armchair critics sitting at home saying things should be done this way or that way,however in the real world ----

Dont think I will bother posting race reports on here again,I thought that people may be interested rather than ripping the sh-t out of what happened.

We all have opinions and have the right to freedom of speech ,however there's a time and a place gentlemen, NOT hijacking a race report thread,we all have a choice as to where and who with we do our racing with.

THANKS A LOT

FWIW I would like to read race reports, am tempted to have a punt at this myself next year and want to gen up a bit.

Sideshow#36 18-03-08 07:46 PM

Re: Bemsee Brands Indy Race Reports
 
Just published mine on my website but.... shameless plug I know! :)

www.svracer.co.uk


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