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actually on Ship the Navy is worse than the Army for Bullsh*t and disaline. It has to be in order for everything to run smoothly and properly if engaged in sea warfare.

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Remember most of the army discipline rules are left over from a time where battle tactics consisted of "march in perfectly straight lines toward each other and see who runs out of men first" Which in itself was left over from tactics which said "put your shields together and stab people with pointy things" :-P

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Yep - that's what I was thinking. Do I want someone to shout in my face because he has more stripes on his arm than me? No! So I didn't join the forces - easy.

However, I think any loss of life is sad regardless of the circumstances

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I got beasted when I was in the forces, it was just accepted and part of the course. You only received it when you f**cked up so it made you not want to screw up again, therefore act as an effective fighting unit.

No different to what prisons should be like, not a nice place to be in thus won't offend again.

Breaking the rules and messing up has with a set punishment.

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Well, that's kinda the point isn't it, it has a set official punishment and this wasn't it ;)

I don't really have an opinion on the idea in general... But specifically in this case, it's not typically a good idea to kill your own soldiers, so I suppose you have to be against it when it goes this far.

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Is everyone ignoring the fact about the drugs found in his body just because if it were included it wouldn't make for such a good argument against beastings. :confused:

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I was RAF so speaking from my own experience and not from something I read in the papers.

The NCOs had a duty of care and they didn't. Whatever the lad was on is not important. They pushed too hard.

There was most certainly a case to answer.

The punishment in the end, didn't fit the crime.

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It doesn't say how much, so it would be hugely assuming to construct your opinion based on this.

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I read elsewhere that it was traces, rather than substantial amounts. But I have no idea if that's true or not, official info seems thin on the ground. It doesn't seem to have been considered a factor in the death though.

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Actually all that would have been oficially given would have been to Drill him around the Barracks a bit quicker than normal, and yes it still is an acceptable form of punishment in the Army.

Exactly traces or not MDMA should not have been in his system

Not really I am sure yo u are awarw MDMA has widly varying effects on different people. 100mg my be ok for me but killy you. And As i said before one of the main effects of MDMA is to severly mess with the bodys temperature control!!! Chances are i would assume that the Drug had a greater effect on his death than people realise.