they should be electronically tagged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Murderers, paedos and rapists??? Disgusting. They should have been executed when they were convicted so that **** like this doesn't happen and so that our innocent children are not made to live alongside these scumbags. :evil:

I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Toady my friend is irony lost on you. Of course ID cards would never work as only the honest law abiding would have them. Even if these crooks had them they would be in address that they skipped from as soon as they had left prison and went untraceable.

Erm, but that's the whole point isnt it. Politicians used to be able to just get on with doing what was best of the country, now they just do whats best for their image.

Look guys, after alls said and done......

























I aint handing myself back in, OK.
The foods disgusting, but at least i didnt have to pay for it and i got all the free porn i wanted. Its my human right dontcha know. :lol:



Seriously tho, if Charles Clarke says "That is a failure of the Home Office and its agencies for which I take responsibility." then should he not be sacked for gross incompetance ffs?

Media ********!

What the article neglects to report is the number released in the previous 7 years, or would that let us make a balanced decision on balanced, informed reporting? The journo is crap!

Do you truly believe politicians in the past were doing the best for the country?? Far from it I think.

What they were doing was what was best for their interests and their class. Its just that society never had the media as intrusive as ours is now to reflect that.

Did Hitler do the best for his country? Mussolini? Napoleon? How far back do you want me to go to prove the point?? It may have been dressed up as they had the countrys best interests at heart but only when it matched theirs.

What you have to realise part of the make up of a politician, whatever time in history he/she has served, has ALWAYS been self serving their interests whenever possible. Cromwell is probably one of the few exceptions of a politician who did try to improve the country - but hes in a minority tbh.

In the past reform has always been when social conditions have got to a point something had to be done or the country would descend into anarchy. Rarely before a government was forced to.

If it served their interests, yes I do. Hitler, for example, was a genocidal meglomaniac, but he also had a strong sense of national pride.

Well I dont pretend that past politicians were squeaky clean. I'm sure the politicians responsible for some of the greatest national advancements were also embroiled in corruption. But who cares? I'd rather have a corrupt but competant government.

Possibly. But government is more than just about reform - it's providing a stable envoronment for people and business. Things like our once world class legal system wernt brought about through risk of anarchy.

Interesting for an Austrian to be a proud German :P :? .
As for the first part, that was my point. Sorry, shocked youre not arguing but agreeing. Faints.... :P :lol: :lol: .

But no government is or ever has been totally competent in how its handled everything. Selective viewing would make it appear that way. Id rather just have a competent and uncorrupt government. We need another Cromwell :D

Our world class legal system was nicked from the Romans btw. And without the Magna Carta it would not have been structured as it was. And anarchy would have happened with the barons rebelling had the King not signed it.

Government in the past has rarely been about providing a stable environment for people - purely business. Because it was only those rich enough and educated who stood as politicians. So they fed the cycle of not giving a damn about the poor unless the overwhelming state of something became a risk to the business environment and making sure their business interests flourished.

But my point was your original post was a whimsical view of politicians - that in the past theyve only served the country not themselves.

What Im trying to get you to admit is that was a pretty inaccuarate statement. They were as self serving, corrupt and inept as the ones today. The difference in how we see it is in how the media has changed.