You know fellas I might be the voice in the wilderness here, and admit to not having in depth knowledge of MS's successes and tomfoolery. However to completely write his career off as nothing more than blatant cheating and dirty tricks is so very, very wrong.

I too have often found him insuferable yet oddly I have warmed to him a little this year. Particularly when listening to the post race interviews in which he displayed eloquence and the upmost sportsmanship when having been beaten by Fernando.

I was also impressed how he and Ferrari turned the whole thing around to win a couple of races also.

But I do agree he is despite what his record says, definitely not an Ayrton Senna,(who yes was not afraid to pull off questionable manouvres) he was able due to an amazing gift....to win races and championships in what was admitted to not be anywhere near the best car.

everyone knows MS is a cheat...remember the year he was competing with damon hill for the championship? and conveniatly accidently drove into him and wrecked hills car...only to win the championship
for a man whos supposed not to make mistakes...he makes some classic mistakes when it serves his purpose.








btw still dissapointed at the honda/button performance :cry:

Re: Ferrari set up Monaco blockade. *SPOILER*
 

not with you on that scvore i'm afraid peter. can never forgive the guy for intentionally (pretty much his words i believe) carving damon hill up to deny him (damons) chance to win the world title.

playing devil's advocate now tho - if one of our boys did it would we be chuckling under our breath saying "nice one..!"....?

Keith...I have mentioned that I do not have total recall of all of Michael's antics. However yes you have reminded me of the Damon one which I completely agree was very sh*tty! :?

Do you also recall when he TRIED to do the exact same thing in the exact same situation with Villeneuve ?

Or how about when he was given a 'drive-through' penalty which he was allowed to do AFTER he'd crossed the finish line ??

Or the debacle with the oversize running deflecting boards ? Once again, Ferrari manged to escape any penalty

Or how about MS's startline tactics of deliberately sitting on the line at an angle to drive straight across his front row opponent. He REALLY got the ache when people copied his idea - he started bleating that it wasn't fair & was just plain dangerous (except when he did it - that wasall right apparently) ?

Would you like any more ??

i'm with you peter, i dont have knowledge of his career at my fingertips, just going on that one incident. i'll not deny he's an awesome driver and i'd definately never say all his career has been down to cheating and down right boschness, his ability in the rain cannot be questioned, head shoulders waist and thighs above anybody else in the wet stuff

this is turning into quite a debate...listen as i said im not a fan of his but im afraid he is a legend and that is a fact....7 times champ means that in 30 years time when our grandkids or great grandkids are looking at facts to see who the best of the best was guess whos name is going to be up there or around there ......yep schuey.

As far as bullying is concerned i think you might be misinterpreting what is passion and a compulsion to win albeit at any costs but isnt that what differentiates between a champion and 2nd place...lets not forget that at the end of the day schumacher is an employee and does what he is told to do to the best of his abilities with the goods given to him...just 1 last thing if the best car and best team is the main factor of his championship wins then what about Eddie Irvine or Rubens Barichello they had the same resources but amounted to pretty much nothing.......which will spark of another debate about team orders :lol: :lol:

Pressure... Pressure.. Pressure

We've seen these kind of tactic's from Schumacher when he's under pressure becasuse his car isnt the best one or he has another driver behind him and he knows the other driver is quicker. When he's under pressure he does daft stuff like this.

I think that Barichello once descibed driving in a team with MS as being beaten around the head with a bat :lol:

I doubt they had the the two drivers mentioned did have the same resources, as far as i'm aware micheal always had the latest stuff and the other driver often get sent out of data colletion runs that allow micheal mechaincanics to set up his car better (this is still happening to massa at the moment), in a sport where 10ths is what it all about tiny changes make a real diffrecnce.

No doubting micheal's talent, he is an incredibley talented driver i just feel his career has been somewhat tarished by what is othen percived to be cheating. The damon hill incident was particually unsporting.

But at the end of the day thats part of the reason why he is 7 and not 4 or 5 times world champ.

Just glad that were not going to have to watch him conduct his national athem :D