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Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?

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Originally Posted by northwind (Post 1221998)

Yup, this is more or less how it works, unless the Police get involved, when being unable to produce documentation can be sticky. .

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Originally Posted by northwind (Post 1222009)

Failure to produce is probably an offence- it did used to be, but that might have changed. But that's not the same as being legally required to have it. Ah, how glad am I that I stopped dealing with legal stuff :)

As far as i know there is no legal requirement to have documentation to say the bike is restricted. IF and big if you get stopped and they want proof then they will have to check with Suzuki on the part number of the ECU etc.

I am 99% sure the cert is not even on a producer form. And as it is no legal requirement to have the relevent document the police can never tell if it is or isnt restricted unless they inspect it.

it is actuallly quite a big flaw in documentation.

and i have said many times even if you were riding on full powere and got stopped they cant tell with out an inspection, or on an off if it is ECU you have plenty of time to replace the ECU before the assesors come around.

the fact that insurers dont ask for or enquire about the cert really says it all that its not a legal requirement as part of normal documentation. what about all the second hand bikes sold to people with restrictions, no legal requirement to hand over the cert !!

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?

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Originally Posted by Wester (Post 1222053)

i got the bill for the restrictor kit this morning.
£200 including labour. good job i just got paid.

WTF!!!:confused: how much, they saw you comming if it was for a K3 or above as its a 5 min job to swap ECU's !!

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?

k3 and above is 100 for the ecu thingy and carb'ed is 150, 60-80 labour for carb'ed and ecu is virtually nothing as all it involves is unplugging old one and plugging in new one they tell you any other price then they're stitching you up thats the price from Suzuki and FI international. you can get you full power ecu and carb sliders back but you have to sign a declaration to say if the bike is found to have them put back in the dealer takes no responsibility

as for the insurance side technically your not insured on a restricted bike but on a full power how ever if you had a smash on full power bike im 99.9% sure that they wouldn't pay up

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?

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Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1222710)

I am 99% sure the cert is not even on a producer form. And as it is no legal requirement to have the relevent document the police can never tell if it is or isnt restricted unless they inspect it.

My experiance would appear to confirm this. I got given a producer whilst restriced and the restriction certificate was not required.

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?

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Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 1222142)

Car oil will only mess up your clutch if its an 'energy saving' oil, the majority of them are fine.

If we're getting more and more precise on this I belive it's friction inhibitors that cause the problem. I've no idea what an 'energy saving' oil is but I would agree you're more likely to find such additives in more expensive oils. but then I wouldn't stick cheap oil in my bike.

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?

yeah friction inhibitors, oils containing these generally advertise accordingly with such slogans as "energy saving."

With the 33bhp law it really annoys me that FI international repeatedly state in their literature that their kits cannot be moved from one bike over to another, implying that to do so would be breaking some major law!
Most bike shops believe this which has conveniently made FI a monopoly for themselves To the cost of everyone else

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?

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Originally Posted by Wester (Post 1221414)

hehe, was just kidding. I've already now decided to get the kit fitted and get a nice certificate. Just wanted a few other views on it.
thankyou.

Is yours a pointy or a curvy? If it's a curvy there is a link to de-restrict so obvoiusly it's the reverse. Pointy or curvy if you can do the work yourself, you could save yourself the labour and just have it certified on a dyno. It's bound to be cheaper. The link below it's for cardbed ones and is near the bottom.

http://www.sv650.org/sv_faq.htm

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?

There is no certificate required. A piece of paper is no proof of anything. It is OK till it goes wrong and then IF the bike is inspected it will be found to be restricted so no problem. Don't get ripped off by anyone - you fitted them yourself and it is a done job. Good lad.

Re: 33BHP - Do you need a certificate?

This is what common sense told me, was just quite keen on being certain there isn't a law saying otherwise!

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Just to clear up, it was a curvy. The garage I'm getting it from is ordering the parts in and getting it done. should be ready by monday. Just gotta pass my test on friday, and we will be off.
Probably would be best to do it myself, but whats done is done. I'll make sure i remove it myself in two years time, and hopefully the bike shouldnt have to see the garage except for proper services, so i can try and reap back cash by looking after her well and by meself.
Thanks again for the views and info.