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they got hit by a few hundred whilst in the steet.
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everybody has an acceptable level of risk, Mine is higher than catherines, and as shuch I drove in on monday and she didnt because she was going further into the sticks than me and had further to drive, she lost the days pay but Id rather that than the car or kitten was hurt!
I dont think its fair to deduct wages but holiday or make the time up yes... but how would you feel if you couldnt get into work because it was outside your comfort zone? (not saying that is the case but this is how it should be if the person has rationaly take the decision not to come in!) my 1p... |
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This morning at 06-50 I was due to go from Bedford Station to Accrington, Lancs by train to collect a car. I ended up leaving an hour late because I couldn't decide whether to go or not, the snow was quite bad but trains were running on time. I got there at 2pm with my mate and we bought the car, a 325bhp Lancer Evo VI and then I drove it carefully back home via Market Harborough, Northants - by 8pm I was home. If I can do that then your staff can make it the few miles into work in the morning. |
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I'm with you Ed!
I don't think most people realise how hard is is running your own business. If my business is open, employees either make it in or lose one day of holiday or one day of pay. Of course the one I ever have out has already used up all his holidays. :rolleyes: He has a week of holiday and a week of sick leave. (2 weeks total off for the year) Used them all up in his first 3 months. :rolleyes: |
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there is a Reasonability of expecting ppl to get into work but not if it is our of thier comfort zone (within reason) |
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What if the trains weren't running or running with severe delays? Would you have managed to complete that job? |
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OK, So I am old and miserable. but the snow is not how I remember it from my childhood in the 60s. As a kid our drive was about 400yds long and down hill. So from age 6 onwards if it snowed us kids had to get up early to clear the snow so dad could leave on time to take us to school on his way to work. bonus was mum had to get up early too in order to to provide bacon and egg reward. we also had to clear it at night so dad could get his car up the drive.
There was one series of hills on the way to school, where the police would stop you, let air out of your tyres and another copper on the other side with a foot pump to get you back upto pressure. We would build 100yrd long slides in the playground in the ice. fall on our backsides and throw snowballs at each other/teachers etc. OK my school was also a convent. The teachers all nuns who lived on the premises etc. But it was still an 8 mile drive from home. Never was the school closed despite far worse snow than we have seen. When I first started work in the 70s, we were only once sent home early because of the weather. It was heavy snow and all those who lived more that 5 miles away were sent home when roads started to be closed as they knew we would have to walk. but still expected in next day. |
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Roads were quieter, tyres were narrower, so gripped better through the snow. No driver aids. Better standard of driving then too IMO. Everybody used to clear the pavement outside their house. Kids were allowed to flirt with danger.
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My orginal response was refering to yesterday, when Ed said he checked the buses were running and one person decied they weren't coming in to work despite the fact they could have. There were no 'what if's' to consider yesterday, it was a clear cut case of transport being available yet they didn't bother to use it. If, and this is a big if, the trains were delayed I would still have made my trip yesterday. We set off an hour later than planned because I procrastinated about whether we should go or not. Once I'd found out the trains were running on time we set off. Had all trains been cancelled then the decision would have been out of my hands, because there was no other transport available. |
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I couldn't get to work Monday. Riding the bike would've ended up with me inhospital, no question of that. I live 2 mins from a train station and all trains were cancelled all day. There were 12 accidents on the roundabout near my house. While I knew it would snow I don't have a laptop so how can I plan ahead? Unless I decide to take my desk PC home with me. So I called the boss and got nothing but grief, he made it in so there was no reason I couldn't apparently. No taxi firm would come out, no buses, no trains. I couldn't actually afford a taxi 32 miles to work anyway but was trying to get to a station that may be open but turns out none were anyway. He is now saying he will dock a days wages and I am fighting this with HR. He said it's not the companies fault I could not make it to work, only 3 people in our office out of 250 made it in on Monday. This is after I actually ended up working on Monday anwyay as I asked him to send me work to my home email address. I fecking hate this place.
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I drove Mr Lou to work today, didn't want him walking as worcestershire roads haven't been gritted and all too easy to lose control.
Took the old banger as I'm not fussed if anything happens to it (though Evie M was upset as it's going to be her car! LOL) and do you know what? Because I wasn't worried about the car I really enjoyed the drive, good fun to put my foot down when I got to his work drive (no one around) and to try and spin the back end out. |
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Hardly any snow ledt here today. The pics of the snow in Bristol on the BBC News website are awesome though:cool:
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I have to say that I was impressed by an article on the news the other day about NHS staff bedding down on an empty ward so that they would not be troubled getting to/from work.
Although the article showed staff unpacking, female/male in adjacent beds. Are they going to get into trouble for mixed sex wards? |
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Thats not enough snow to say your not going to work.
When its past your door handles, its time to give up. I'd have rode my bike on that road, and did down my own one, 3 days in a row....... |
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It's snowed hard here again today, but it's melting away now.
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We have had next to no snow at all - its just wet - very disappointing :(
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Our 3" of snow we had left yesterday morning had complelty gone by the time I got home.
It made me sad. Due snow tonight, but i think its too wet, and too cold for snow to lay now :( typical eh. MONDAY - Snow snow snow, while we all have to work. Come the weekend though, lets melt so to ruin the humans weekend. Mofo snow. |
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Snow? What snow?
Just come back from a gorgeous ride in bright sun, blue skies and dry roads. Sorry, not helping am I :D :D :D |
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at the end of the day youre paid to work, if you cant work within your contracted hours then its either holiday, sick leave or unpaid IMO
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Not about being a typical UK charity case. A business is not a nursary, people need to accept responsibility. UK employees get enough laws, benefits and rules to aid them and their jobs. If you don't turn up, don't whinge about not being paid. Another reason to employ foriegners. They will work, be thankfull for the job, and not moan like an English person. Why should an entire business have to suffer over 1 or 2 people? Creates a bad atmosphere. Those who came in, did so for no reason, whilst the people sat on their backsides at home, get away with a free day off. Nope, sorry, they want to stay at home, they should be deducted. Its not the companies problem they cannot get into work. Its their problem. |
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Just got an email through from our MD saying any time taken off due to snow can be put down as a special circumstance and there'll be no need to take leave or sacrifice pay
funnily enough everyone tried to get to work or worked from home if they could, wonder if that has anything to do with my employer's excellent relationship with it's employees and not acting like an all powerful tw*t when it comes to letting insignificant things like this slide?... |
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but the thread seems to have degenerated into a generic one about handling time off work, and personally i think not greeting your employees back from a day off due to nasty driving conditions (even if they might have made it by sliding all over the place and taking several times longer than usual) with a demand for leave or docked pay is a step in the marathon of getting your employees feeling more inclined to work hard when you need them to... |
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Second off, I'm talking about genuinely can't get to work i.e. The Police had closed the main road and there were no trains running (this was my situation - in your employee's case where the buses were running, then that's just a case of the employee lying so deal with him as you see fit) Emmm...actually you've got me thinking, & I've just reread my contract which is completely silent on the matter because it is clearly not holiday & clearly not sickness, but I just think it is closer in nature to sickness i.e. you are prevented by circumstances outside your control from attending work, rather than holiday (where you choose not to attend work) therefore how would you treat genuine sickness? I hope pay the employee? but yet I would hope that it didn't count to the employee's total entitlement to sick pay (we are only allowed 5 days per year) |
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If it really were genuine I'd ask e'ee to take it as holiday oe else to make up the time. But I think it's a good idea to clarify with e'er - you might write and ask for a formal ruling, just so it's clear.
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But! I gave up trying to get to work at 11:30 & it took me another hour 'n a half to get back home, I hardly think that that is comparable to a relaxing holiday nicely planned in advance - I get precious few of those as it is at the legal min. Holidays are supposed to benefit the e'er too! by providing refreshed happy workers :D |
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