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its not necessarily about a 'generation of people' that caused the rule. It was an RD250LC that caused the rule about CBT's and many huge bikes in the 80's that probably caused the 33BHP thingy too

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I don't think that anybody is suggesting that we all mindlessly follow every bit of crazy legislation that our government brings in. We all want to feel alive and have fun, I certainly do. But you can still have fun within the law. Everyone breaks laws at some time, I do most times I ride or drive. I think the issue is which laws are seen as 'acceptable' to break and the ones which aren't. Having no insurance is generally seen as unacceptable.

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He stated that if we were all hat mature at his age the 33bhp rule wouldnt have been brought in hence the previous generation of people being immature about the bikes that they rode and how they rode them caused the law

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yes because they all went out and bought mad bikes that got bent, bashed burned and generally caused mass hysteria amongst anti bike peeps, bought by very young people who couldn't handle them
Have a research through 80's biking, I'm sure you'll have some fun looking :-).

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OK then so that's that generation that made sure that i couldn't have as much fun for 24 months. Not just because of the power out put but because the restricted bikes and (at least in my case)smaller capacity bikes are less fuel efficient the tyres on my bike cost more than the tyres cost for my dads bike so i end up not having as much money at the end of it to spend on going out and socializing. I'll make sure that i hold that grudge then.

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It does really matter whose generation led to the law in the first place. What we all should realise is that our actions now can lead to laws being change or new ones being brought in. Perhaps if everyone ignored the 33 BHP restriction the government wou;d find a way of restricting us even more, perhaps spot checks on restricted bikes. The technology is there to control most aspects of power and speed, give the government enough reason to use it and one day they will.

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No it doesn't matter to you because your not affected by it. It bothers me because I am affected by it. I just cant wait to get out of this backwards country.

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I'm really sorry but you sound like a right
http://blog.hirestrategies.co.uk/ere...king_dummy.jpg

and remember folks it were a 35BHP RD that caused all the mayhem, at speeds of 100mph.

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Honestly I don't really care what i sound like. I'm not going to accept the point of view from some one that didn't have to endure 33bhp. Some one that wasn't victimized when it comes to what they can ride because of their age and not having a single way around it with out breaking the law.

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I might not be affected by the 33 BHP law, but I was affected by the law brought in as a response to the RD250LC. When I got to 17, I could only ride a 125 and not a 250 as previous generations could. I'm also affected by other laws that were brought in because of the actions of generations prior to mine. Undoubtedly your generation will cause more restrictions on what future generations can and can't do.

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Everyone has different perspectives of what's appropriate power/speed is. Some people are perfectly content with having low powered bikes so having more power, especially while being restricted, is completely ludicrous to some; but seems perfectly acceptable others.

You can't get away from what the law states, if you're doing something wrong there is a possibility of dealing with large consequences. If people are prepared to take that risk people should be advised of the consequences and not battled into submission.

I feel that as mentioned earlier in the thread that young riders are targeted in an unjustified manner. As a whole they are a higher risk, but so are new riders of any age on any powerful machine. I believe that the restricted license scenario needs serious alteration and the frequency of this topic is just proof of how many riders at least contemplate the restricted aspect of their license.

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Trouble is that blaming the generation before you just doesn't really make any difference. When I started out on learner bikes in the mid-80s, I had to have a crappy 125 with L plates on it - I didn't complain about the people before me who had 250s with L plates on etc, you just have to put up with it, learn your skills and move on when you can...

That's how I feel about it anyway - personally I don't really care if you get caught with an overpowered bike or not, but the costs for these transgressions do always seem to find their way onto the law abiding somehow, so are you going to get the hump when the younger generation of bikers ask these questions and plan these evasions when you're on the receiving end of higher premiums etc because of it?

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doh, I wasted time typing a reply and you'd already said the same anyway :)

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Don't worry about it mate. I sometimes end up doing the same as I can't type very fast.

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Probably done this topic to death tonight, so I'm off to bed.

Goodnight Peeps

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Good call

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why dont yoiu just wind your neck in,you are really starting to **** me off.
If you dont like this country then feel free to leave.In some other Euro countries you have no option but to ride restricted until you are 25.
All Im hearing at the momemt is BLAAAA BLAAAA BLAAAA and you throwing a childish strop.
Yes Im 40 and not been affected by the 33 bhp limit....BUT I was one of those that had a 250 on L plates that lost all its value over night because the 125 limit came in.:mad:

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What way have you guys got it over there?? Here in Ireland you pass your test and your then resticted to 33bhp for two years from the issue date of full license, whether your 21 or 57...
Same?

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In England if your under 21 then you have to be restricted to 33bhp for 2 years but if your over 21 you can ride any thing.

I know this is off subject but this confused me on dvla site

Any size motorcycle with or without a sidecar 21*

* Age 21 if the rider passed the test for large motorcycles as part of the Direct Access scheme, or two years from the date of test pass if the rider passed the test on a standard A motorcycle (power output up to 25 kW (33 bhp) or a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kW/kg.)

Does it mean when my 2 years are up on restriction i can ride any size? (ill be 19) or would i have to wait untill im 21?

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Does it mean when my 2 years are up on restriction i can ride any size? (ill be 19) or would i have to wait untill im 21?

2 yrs means ...wohoooooooooo.
doesnt matter what age you are mate as long as the 2 yrs is up

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Woah, woah, hang on a sec there...im sorry, but WTF is all the fuss about so??

If yer under 21 there's no way you should be allowed on anything over 33bhp. 21 like, come on! And no im not some aul fart, im 26...

Try living over here lads....and then see how 'backward' your country is as someone put it a few pages back...

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so are you saying that you would like to have our regulations.
Just spoke to family in Germany and have been told that you have to stick to a restriction untill you are 25

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The law is the same in the UK.
If you take a test on a 125cc bike capable of 62mph and pass you are then restricted to 33bhp for 2 years from the date of pass regardless of age.

If over 21 you may take a Direct Access Route (DAS)
Direct access is a scheme which allows a person over the age of 21 to avoid the two year/25 kW restriction by taking a test on a machine of at least 35 kW (46.6 bhp). A pass allows you to ride any size of bike. Any instruction given on a machine that exceeds the normal learner motorcycle specification must be supervised at all times by a certified motorcycle instructor who should be in radio contact. You should also wear fluorescent or reflective clothing and follow all other provisional licence restrictions.

Accelerated access

Riders who reach the age of 21, while still within the two year period where they are restricted to maximum 25 kW (33 bhp) machines, but who wish to ride larger bikes need to pass a further test on a motorcycle of at least 35 kW (46.6 bhp). They may practise on bikes over 25 kW (33 bhp) under the same practice conditions for direct access riders. You will revert to learner status while practising (on a motorcycle greater than 25 kW (33 bhp)) although test failure will not affect your existing licence


pete

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In the US you can just go buy a busa at 16 (14 in Alabama!) with a rubberstamp licence and no insurance and ride it home from the dealers without a helmet on. That's freedom of responsibility for you. You could have a gun under the seat legally too in many states, Hein Gericke probably do a special holder for it.

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Dont like it?

Then dont whine like a baby (which shows a level of maturity which re-inforces the fact that restricted is just right for you)

Instead, write letters to your MP, to anyone that actually has a say in this law and ask for it to be changed.

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Aha, there's the catch and the difference! See we dont have DAS. So whether your 21 or 57 you must do 2 years 33bhp restriction after passing your full licence. Oh, yeah, you can do gold star advanced rider training blahdeeblah whatnots, but all these do is reduce your insurance premium..

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I hear all the roads are crap in Ireland and you all need to ride Transalps so it can't be that bad can it? :)

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Nope not quite Chris.

The MIB is for uninsured or untraced drivers.

If you were insured and the insurer subsequently avoids the policy because of some breach - eg, no restrictors fitted - then the insurer reamins liable but as statutory insurer only - the RTA preserves the liability for the third party. So the insurer has to pay. But in avoiding the policy, what it really means is that the insurer cancels your indemnity and so they can come after you for whatever they pay out.

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Translaps....haha we had the celtic tiger, its all bmw's over here. And they all have to keep them now coz ya cant give bikes away in this climate...haha..

Yep, crap roads. You wouldnt believe how crap sometimes...honestly!

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Awesome, another feckin' stereotype about young people :rolleyes:


I'm gonna' add my thoughts on what has (as always in these threads) turned into carnage :lol:

BanditPat.. learn to ride your bike properly and use the power you've got. Any monkey can go down the motorway with the throttle pinned. Where's the skill in that? :rolleyes:
Obviously on motorways the restriction's a bit of a pain once you get over 85ish. Simple solution: Don't ride down the motorway trying to do a top speed run every time. Find some decent roads (twisty ones, lots of bends) and have some fun. There's plently of power in the twisties to put a grin on your face.
If traffic light GPs are your thing, a restricted SV will still beat most cars off the line

As for not being able to keep up on rideouts with 33bhp.. Biggest loada bullsh!t. I'm restricted and I've never had problems keeping up (oo, er), but then again the rideouts I go on don't really involve motorways.

As for the OP, it's your money, your license and your freedom. I'm not going to preach at you, 'cause it really pi55es me off when people do the same to me. De-restrict it if you want, but don't complain if you get caught. Chances are you'll be fine unless you're riding like a t!t :D

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an inteligent and sensible young man.....

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I think the 33bhp is a good idea. Just look at the statistics. I cant remember the exact figures, but you can look them up. Older riders (usually 30+) are involved in a load more serious accidents than people under 21. They are the ones that do the DAS and jump on supersports. I can only imagine the statistics being very different if under 21's were allowed to do the same.
I dont think two years is all that long, and if you love bikes then this is what you have to accept when going for the test. Its either that or wait four years to do the unrestricted test.

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Seconded - good point.

I passed years ago, went from my 125 to a GS450 which I had for a year or so, various MZ 250s and then onto a GPZ600R, so my first 2 or 3 "big" bikes after passing my tests would have probably been under 33bhp anyway, if you're into bike riding for the long term, the 2 years could be viewed as an opportunity to develop skills that are going to last you the rest of your life I guess

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Let anarchy prevail, lets all ignore laws we don't like.

Problem is that as soon as somebody breaking a law with impunity hurts our nearest/dearest etc. Society will start demanding strong tougher laws with severer sanction for those that transgress.

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Yeah good point Magnum. I agree it develops certain skills like cornering, 'cause you don't have as much straight line speed.
Although I think 2 years is too long IMO. 6 months and then a review would be good, or even a year. They wouldn't be able to do it on mileage, as there'd be no way to prove it was you riding it or that you haven't just run it on a dyno for a while (sure that'd take a while, but still :lol:)
Then again, with the 2 years, there's nothing to stop you doing your test, waiting 2 years and then jumping on a SS machine if you've got the money. Although I wouldn't see the point in doing that.

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Amen

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Thats the reason why I get so upset over cyclists running red lights etc.

Seems that one tried it this morning near my house and took out two motorbikes..........

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I hate cyclists who jump red lights too, especially the ones who edge out into a junction trying to nip thru traffic going across the junction, my mate dropped his fireblade because one of the lycra brigade pulled this stunt

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I can remember the feeling of having a car parked on my drive but not been allowed to drive it just days before my test. I think I can hazard a guess at what your feeling, you really cant wait to get out on it. But be sensible the restrictions and everything are in place because of facts and figures produced from the government learning their lesson. Young riders (myself included) do take some risks on the road that maybe a rider with experiance wouldnt take. With no experiance and without proper training riding a full power machine isnt just wreckless its idiotic. Your mum is on the money mate. Leave it locked up for 4 days (I mean come on 4 days??? I've had longer dumps than that!) Then you can go out totally covered and there's no better feeling than when jolly old bobby pulls you over for *random* spot check and your totally legit. Even if they cant see somethings up with the bike you'll give it away in how you act.