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Re: Coming soon to a roadside near you.

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Originally Posted by Jdubya (Post 2181888)

They're not as soft as they look you know...;)

Ah ha! - how do you know? ;) :lol:

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Originally Posted by Tiger 55 (Post 2182059)

I'm doing nothing wrong, that's the bloody point!
Stop me if I'm committing an offence, stop me if you think I'm committing an offence but stop me just because you want to educate me.

If I want educating I will present my self at one of the many, many places that offer that service and ask for it. If, on the other hand, I want to exercise my freedom of the highway in a lawful manner then that's what I should be able to do.

Do they sit in offices coming up with ideas to drive a wedge between the police and the public? Sheesh.

Totally agree - couldn't have put it better myself!

And - if the police that are doing the pulling aren't fully trained bike cops I won't be wanting any of their unskilled biking advice! :eek:

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@Stu^^ i agree.

'why are you stopping me?'
'we would like a chat about road safety'
'by by' puts bike into gear and takes off.

are they going to chase after me?

god i'm slow at typing... lol

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Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf (Post 2182105)

Nobody is suggesting that educating riders is a bad thing...

But the concept of random tugs with an attached safety lecture will achieve nothing;

Riders who don't want to be educated won't listen and riders who do want to be educated will almost certainly have sought out and heard what they have to say already

The time and money would be far better spent sending the police m/c teams out to the busiest Sunday meeting points with a big banner that says "Free assessment rides" - or even just letting them go down on the police bikes to show that under the battenburg they're riders as well, building a better relationship with riders and a respect for the police would do far more than randomly delaying people as they try to go about their legal business

We had an unmarked car show up at our bi-weekly meet one evening last year, rather than busting the hundreds of offences they could have done such as plates, pipes and visors they had a wander round and chatted with as many people as possible, even showing anyone who wanted to chat the equipment they use. They achieved far more in that one evening than they would have done in an entire summer of randomly pulling riders over and giving them a standard lecture and a freebie hi-viz

Spot on, and just about every police biker I know agrees with this. Unfortunately they're not the idiots sitting behind a desk dreaming up ways of how they can meet government targets about reducing their Forces KSI (Killed or Seriously Injured) figures. These targets are set by the government and if not met impact on the Forces overall performance rating and directly their budget... Don't blame the police, not all of us voted these idiots into power...
Unfortunately, like it or not motorcyclists figure disproportionately in the KSI figures so they are an obvious target for reduction. It's simple maths, do you educate the mass of car drivers, or the small proportion of road users that are bikers? The wheel is now turning full circle with young inexperienced riders taking to the road again as they can't afford car insurance, and they are ripe for education, I don't think any of us disagree with that. I do think the topic of this thread is the wrong way of going about it and personally I simply wouldn't get involved in randomly stopping a biker because they are a biker (privilege of rank) but that isn't going to stop it happening. Unfortunately we are often our own worst enemy with just about every bike on the road having something technically "wrong" with it (yes, yes, I know yours is the exception) so it's very easy for the police to show that by stopping bikes they issued x number of "advices", which supports their operation by justifying their action and painting a bad image of bikers.

Personally if you are stopped on one of these checks my advice would be to stay polite and ask the officer why they have stopped you. If they do say it's a random safety check ask them if they want to see your documents or to examine your bike (two of the reasons why they can keep you there). If they say no, they only want to give you some "advice" then you are well within your rights to say no thank you and tell the officer you propose to ride on. If they say you can't ask why not, they have no power to detain you unless they suspect you of an offence and are arresting you. Stay polite but be firm in asking why you can't go. One word of caution though, do be sure if you are going to take this approach that there is nothing wrong with your bike or you as there is always a chance they will want to look at you quite closely. A colleague of mine did this to the Met, the officer told him if he didn't co-operate then he would be searched for drugs and have his bike taken away for examination. He didn't back down, they tried, and they lost.... Some officers just don't know when to quit and keep digging their grave and that one certainly did.

If you have got something wrong with your bike, be humble, hang your head low, and be grateful the pleb giving you the "advice" probably won't spot it anyhow...:D

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Originally Posted by Red Herring (Post 2182399)

Unfortunately we are often our own worst enemy with just about every bike on the road having something technically "wrong" with it (yes, yes, I know yours is the exception)

Christ!!!

I just realised that I'd been riding round the last few weeks with a clear visor, 100% legal plate and the baffles in the exhaust!!!

Thank goodness the headlamp is still illegal HID, maintaining the "lawless" biker image...

Take that society..:D

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Sorry, I should have added that during the last road check I ran over 70% of the cars bought in had something wrong with them as well.....

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 2182235)

So you won't mind if they knock on your door and invite themselves into your house to rummage around and see if everything is as it should be?

'Cause that's what'll happen!

Give them an inch...

"if you're doing nothing wrong."
a) I'm sure they could find something if they looked hard enough.
b) They should leave you alone if you're doing nothing wrong.
c) Why should they detain you when they feel like it. If you've got nothing better to do, why don't you go off to the IAM or Bikesafe or something and get some advice.

Where the hell you going with that? How is being pulled over for a quick chat in any way like them coming to your house and inviting themselves inside.

They are not looking for items that are wrong with your bike.

tbh, I really can't see the big issue with people whinging away about it.

What harm does it REALLY do to your life? None? So stop whinging.

How many have you have been stopped so far? Noen -stop whinging

Are you all just on a big moan, yes, so stop whinging.

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Originally Posted by Daimo (Post 2182411)

They are not looking for items that are wrong with your bike.

tbh, I really can't see the big issue with people whinging away about it.

What harm does it REALLY do to your life? None? So stop whinging.

How many have you have been stopped so far? Noen -stop whinging

Are you all just on a big moan, yes, so stop whinging.

I don't think people are whinging - I think they have real concerns that a particular demographic is being targeted and their lawful daily life interfered with and delayed.

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Originally Posted by Daimo (Post 2182411)

Are you all just on a big moan, yes, so stop whinging.

Grow up and try reading the thread properly before replying numbnuts:rolleyes:

Sounds like you're having the biggest whinge of all, the majority of people here are discussing the merits of different forms of police campaigns, if you can't even do that in a civil manner then sod off

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Got stopped for one of these a while back. Apparently I was well kitted out but could have used better shoes.

TBH the middle of gunnersbury ave with rush hour traffic pushing past as I was trying to get into work wasn't the best place for this discussion. Still.

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Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf (Post 2182422)

SMB

I have read it.

There are some good points, but seriously, look at the length of some replies. No-one whinging on this site is going to do a damn thing about it, hence my original statement

Stop whinging.

Its not really doing anyone any harm. Yes there are better methods, but your not in control, theres nothing you can do, so whinging = stop...

And anyway, your on the IoW, not like your gonna get it over there anyway is it.