Bah, being caught by a witless machine has no bearing on your riding/driving ability - it's nothing more than another (random) motoring taxation, and most people view cameras and their operations with the contempt they deserve. Fight the thieving gits I say.

The original post is utter crap, don't try it.

that said however you should carry out as much delay tactics as you can whilst meeting any statutory obligation you have, vis

If you are the registered keeper you have a statutory duty to respond to the NIP with the details of the driver within 28 days.

If you genuinly don't know, you will need a good reason for this to satisfy the court that you don't, I can't remember is not enough, then you have the opportunity for a Para 4 defence which states that the registered keeper must make sufficient effort to fulfil this obligation. So you need to have a reason you don't know, have investigated yourself and have a reason you can't find out. You will then need to go to court to defend yourself on a Section 172 charge. At magistrates court 90% of people will be convicted, at appeal 70% of people will get the conviction overturned, Total cost of 2-3000 quid will be covered only if you win.

You can satisfy your obligations without using the form and this is where things can get fun.

If you resond to the NIP with a written statement in a particular format you will have given them the information that statute says that you must but they (depending on which area) may not be sure how to use that information, remember this system is forms driven by morons.

They may suggest that you have not met your obligations and re-request the information giving you a further 28 days. By now they will be almost 3 months down the line from your original offence.

They will then likely threaten you and try to cajole you into capitulating but eventually may lay papers before the Magistrates court (not all people get taken to court).

They must have laid papers before the 6 months is up. Now if they feck it up they will charge you with Section 172, failing to identify, but you have and you wait to go to court and win.

If they charge you with speeding you can plead guilty before the date of the hearing and you will get the same fine plus about 30 quid costs.

The courts can not fine you anymore than you would have been fined under for a standard fixed penalty offence, your exposure is one of costs.

If you are genuinely in need of info on anything speed prosecution related you need to spend a couple of evenings reading the forums at www.pepipoo.com

FWIW I won an appeal at crown court last year and had a coniction overturned. The experience cost just over £3000 of which I wound up paying 500, the original fixed penalty offer was £60 and three points.

Patch, your post was full of useful information but was it really necessary to be so rude to the original poster?

My post was not rude to the original poster it was rude about the advice that he had been given which is indeed utter crap. I made no reference to the poster but did reference "the original post, that is...."

This is the post

It is indeed utter crap

:evil: Hmmm yeah thanks and I DIDN'T F******G MEAN IT AS ADVICE ITS UP TO ANY MORON WHO GETS CAUGHT SPEEDING TO TRY IT!!!!!!!!!! Personally I know how technology works (I work in Avionics) and it is as easy as clicking on a bloody PC but it's up to whoever wants to try it is'nt it?! Were all big boys (and girls!) now i'm sure we can face what we do in life :evil:

P.S sorry everyone prehaps you caught me on a bad morning but was rude! wouldn't have minded a more tactical aproach to it's utter crap!

Thanks :oops:

Heres a little story for you and bear with me, A friend of mine recently bought a van for his work (landscaping), as his other blew up. Now everything seemed above board and legal yet a week or so after taking it home after being relieved of £6000 the police knock on his door and tell him its a clone. The number plates belong to another vehicle already on the road, so if someone copies your plates and then goes speeding through a Gatso who ends up with a letter saying you've been speeding? YOU! Moral of the story ask for photographic evidence! Of course if they give a location in the totally oposite end of the country to you then alarm bells will be ringing in your head early anyway.

Anyone see Jeremy Clarkson do a little experiment with a gatso and some fictional characters? A teen "twocer" (car thief), Osama Bin Laden with a pick up truck full of AK47's, and a little old granny in her rover on the way to a WI meeting! Guess who got "caught" by the gatso? The granny! Think about it :-k

Of course. My point is they are the rules like them or not. Push the rules, runs risks, the risk here is getting caught. Whether the rules are fair or not. My answer is ok I pushed the rules, I got caught, b***ard b****r s**t etc etc...but you still might as well just cough up if you know its you.

Now campaigning is another thing.

Didnt say it did, dont think. My comments are aimed against pointless moaning. Fair cop and all that.

But maybe it probably as you were too unobservant to notice a huge big camera :wink: Now thats tongue in cheek before the humourless become outraged. Personally I would rather be going a little quicker and watching the road than watching out for cameras.

Ok then I was travelling down the end of the wessex way in bournemouth when I had My Seat Ibiza Cupra and was caught by a temporary camera down in the slip road. It's a 50 limit at that point as it doesn't open out to national for about 300-400 yards and I was doing 71. it was really quiet with hardly anyone around and the road conditions were perfect so ok I was speeding but I was doing dual carridgeway speeds in perfect control and conditions yet I always see tossers on thier phones which is stupid even if they're obeying the limit! Once went round a guy on the bike driving like a ****, when I got along side he was texting! Had a passenger that could've done it for him too!
Anyway apart from drifting away a bit and opening a whole can of worms I guess it makes sense to make sure it was your car that was snapped and you were driving etc before handing your licence and cash over. :?

That's what they like to do. Be more aware fo their presence on slip roads, after sharp bends and approaching faster speed limit areas (incase you sped up too soon). No one is saying it's right, but they will continue to do it till they get told to stop