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Re: I feel so sorry for Shannon Matthews

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Originally Posted by MiniMatt (Post 1473806)

Firstly, I hope for your sake your sister doesn't read this :D Or at least I hope you can run faster than her :D

Ok, fairness, on the face of it you're looking at the size of her house and the clothes her kids wear and thinking it's not fair. Lets assume that whatever her flaws your sister, like you, wants the very best for her kids, she wants her kids to grow up succesful and happy. Now...

Whose kids stand more chance of growing up succesful & happy, productive members of society?
Whose kids are going to get better grades at school?
Whose kids stand more chance of avoiding the temptations of drink, drugs & crime?
Whose kids are likely to grow up with a diverse cultural experience and develop a wide range of hobbies and interests, form strong friendships, and lead rewarding fulfilling lives?

I'm willing to bet you'll concede that your own kids stand a far better chance of acheiving these things than your sister's. You still think it's unfair? You're willing to trade all that in for a bigger house and a designer pair of trainers?

People always seem to focus on material needs being provided for and think that this makes the system unfair. It's the opportunities, the chances in life, the fulfillness of life that makes the system unfair.

Didn't I mention she's lardy too!!! LOL!

MiniMatt I think I agree with you that (hopefully) my kids will turn out more rounded individuals than hers and actually her kids have already been exposed to things I would never let my kids be exposed to, but that is down to a set of choices my sister had made for herself and she does/should know better.

Afterall we come from the same home and had the same up bringing.

Her life is a million miles away from mine and yes I did for this focus on the materialistic things because it riles me that I get taxed and taxed again and she does nothing for the things she has. What we are is a direct result of choices we make for ourselves, good or bad.

So whilst saying that if you have a certain upbringing that is all you know and therefore that is how you will turn out, this particular example shows it not to be the case.

Re: I feel so sorry for Shannon Matthews

No not at all, but there's plenty ditches need digging and roads need sweeping.

(Edit: this was supposed to follow minimatts post)

Re: I feel so sorry for Shannon Matthews

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Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 1473828)

No not at all, but there's plenty ditches need digging and roads need sweeping.

+1 - there is always something to do to earn money, I'm sure of that.

The problem we have is whilst you are getting a house paid for and enough money for clothes, food etc. what incentive do you have to work and 'better' yourself?

Re: I feel so sorry for Shannon Matthews

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Originally Posted by MiniMatt (Post 1473817)

So your solution? Let them starve? Let their kids starve?

No .......let their parents get off their arses and do some hard work to earn the money instead of sucking it from society. Once they are capable of looking after themselves then they should have kids.

Re: I feel so sorry for Shannon Matthews

Though in fact, looking at some of the estates round here it could be a good option :-P

Re: I feel so sorry for Shannon Matthews

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No not at all, but there's plenty ditches need digging and roads need sweeping.

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So bring back the Workhouse? Why do you think it was abolished in the first place? Because it failed to meet the objectives set.

And who's going to look after the 5 kids whilst you send single mum off to break rocks or whatever pointless demeaning task you set her from your lofty superiour position? Stop - I know your first answer to that - it'll be something like "the silly bint should have thought of that before she got knocked up". But tough, we're still left with what to do with the kids? So do we take them all into care? How many new orphanages are we going to have to build to dump all these kids into? History has already shown that the majority of kids who come out of massive state run orphanages fair pretty badly in life. Oh, and how much is it going to cost to build and run them? How does that compare to the current social spending costs? If you're going to play arm-chair fascist, make sure you play arm-chair economist too.

Re: I feel so sorry for Shannon Matthews

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Originally Posted by MiniMatt (Post 1473877)

And who's going to look after the 5 kids whilst you send single mum off...

get the children to eat the parents...

problem solved, parents no longer sponging benefits, children don't starve as you can keep things fresh for ages if you know how to use tupperware and a freezer, then when they get to child-bearing age (about 11 it would seem) their children can eat them

and the cycle of life continues

Re: I feel so sorry for Shannon Matthews

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Originally Posted by MiniMatt (Post 1473877)

And who's going to look after the 5 kids whilst you send single mum off to break rocks or whatever pointless demeaning task you set her from your lofty superiour position? Stop - I know your first answer to that - it'll be something like "the silly bint should have thought of that before she got knocked up". But tough, we're still left with what to do with the kids? So do we take them all into care? How many new orphanages are we going to have to build to dump all these kids into? History has already shown that the majority of kids who come out of massive state run orphanages fair pretty badly in life. Oh, and how much is it going to cost to build and run them? How does that compare to the current social spending costs? If you're going to play arm-chair fascist, make sure you play arm-chair economist too.

It cant be solved easily, I have said it before, they are like rats in society (another problem which is hard to fix) The only solution is a cull (unrealistic i know lol).

The main problem is that the problem is already way out of control, the only way to fix the problem, and bring it back into line is to be harsh but fair.....and no one has the balls to do that as nobody wants to upset anyone.

I have plenty of ideas, many of them probably would breach peoples human rights, but it would sort out the problem.

One simple one would be to tell people...YOU CANT AFFORD KIDS......DONT HAVE THEM......then enforce it. It would take a couple of years but slowly the ever increasing 2nd and 3rd generation of low lifes would start decreasing and then there would be a turnaround, honest working people would slowly start to out number the wasters........and do you know what as there is less of them to pay for, it might just improve the state of the UK's economy.

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The only way to do it is cut off the benefits, and also you can't really tell these people anything. You can't talk to your dog and expect it to understand :-P