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[quote=Flamin_Squirrel;1537046]And should you die riding a motorbike, which is infinitely more likely than you ever getting blown up, would you like your family to crusade in your name to have biking banned?

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Poor comparison really. generally the risk here is to the motorcyclist himself. He does not intentionally set out to harm either himself or others. There are risks but no criminal intent to do harm.

The comments I passed earlier obviously I guess would seem reasonable in a perfect world where Police are doing what they are emplñoyed to do and innocent people are neither threatened by fanatics or the authorities.

Even if I were arrested as a suspect terrorist,gall me greatly indeed it would but my inocence would be finally proven. Darn there goes me and my fanciful perfect world nonsense again!

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The thing is, even if you have 100% trust in the current authorities you have to plan for the next one, and the one after that- it's harder to take a power away than it is to give it, generally. The current lot have shown that they'll abuse it fairly freely but so far generally in fairly trivial and squalid ways, nothing that's earthshaking. That's about par for the course for modern government really. If this really was the oppressive power-crazed authoritarian government people think we have, then we'd see trouble.

The way it was used before Gleneagles was really quite cunning, and obviously premeditated- they just arrested everyone on the buses (apart from the drivers) then released them a couple of hours later without charge. By that time it was too late to get to the demo, but they can say "Hey, it was only a couple of hours, that's a small price for safety surely?" The impact was huge in publicity terms, it totally gutted the protest but the impact per person was minor and easy to shrug off.

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Why? You'd be dead, I can't see how whether you check out from being blown up or ending up under the wheels of an arctic make any difference.

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Adolf Hitler didn't create Nazi Germany in one fell swoop, he just passed lots of incremental laws that in themselves didn't seem significant, but resulted in his totalitarian state. By the time people realised, they couldn't do F all about it. We are certainly going the same way, the terrorist laws basically mean detention at whim. Just wait till we've all got ID cards and total DNA databasing.

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Woo hoo Why not? :p

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I've only read 2 or 3 pages of this thread and one thing seems to be escaping me completely I guess...

Why are you worried about the length of detention when you need to be actively involved in terrorist activities to have it envoked upon you?? Is the ORG cultivating a terrorist cell on the quiet perchance ??

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Ironically this has all come about because they're trying to be transparent and above board. In the old days, when they needed to get rid of a few IRA guys, they just sent the SAS round in dark sweaters to terminate them. That never caused much furore as I recall, just seemed appropriate?

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I don't often do this, but :rolleyes:. You can't seriously think that the only people detained under anti-terror laws are terrorists?

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Ah yeah sure.
I mean, when Faulkner introduced internment in 1971 that stopped the IRA in their tracks.


Oh wait.
But but, no, I mean, bad example... ok, Gitmo, Camp X-Ray, unmarked Prison ships, that all worked out in the end for the US, right?


...right?