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Re: 101mph in a 60.

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Originally Posted by custard (Post 1557306)

ride down there again and see what gear you were in and then what sort of speed you could attain.. may mitigate the worry slightly...

Haha, knowing my luck the tw@'s will be there again waiting for me!!!

Re: 101mph in a 60.

You never know your luck

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Originally Posted by Lancashire Evening Post

A Lancashire Police speed camera technician has been sacked after a probe found he failed to correctly calibrate a mobile speed camera that incorrectly caught hundreds of motorists.
Despite knowing the correct checks had not been made the technician, who worked in Penwortham and Blackpool, signed documents needed for court cases to certify that the equipment had been working correctly.

As a result 545 offences had to be withdrawn, with an estimated £35,585 covering fines and payments for speed awareness courses refunded and approximately 1,500 penalty points rescinded.

Lancashire Police dismissed the civilian employee, who worked in the force's Central Processing Unit but has not been named, after a disciplinary hearing and an Independent Police Complaints Commission managed investigation into allegations he had failed to carry out his work correctly.

The case today prompted calls for Lancashire Constabulary reviews its training of speed camera technicians and ensures regular checks are made of their work.

Video tapes of his work were analysed and 41 of the 435 tapes checked were found to have faults.

Re: 101mph in a 60.

Haha so the calibrators have to be calibrated now! WHo will calibrate the calibrator calibrators though? :lol:

Re: 101mph in a 60.

Handheld radars are useless.

Imagine a vehicle traveling towards the gun at 30mph.

If the gun is mounted on a tripod it may well show 30mph.

Handheld guns move, I don't know anyone who can remain totally still whilst aiming at something held at arms length (except maybe army snipers?).

Therefor the gun may be moving towards the oncoming vehicle thus raising the apparent speed of the vehicle.

Summat like that anyway!!

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I never realised there were so many legal experts mand physicists on this forum! I'll never bother checking the legal database again, I'll just ask on here 'cos someone is bound to know the answer.......

Re: 101mph in a 60.

A copper once told me that if I see a hairdryer waver keep my head down and offer no surface to reflect the signals and they cannot get a proper fix on you.

He may have been talking bollox and read it in a legal database;)

Re: 101mph in a 60.

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Originally Posted by Jester666 (Post 1557471)

I haven't heard of that, I doubt the movement of the gun itself towards the vehicle would do much (you'd have to move it a hell of a lot to alter the reading to any significance). One thing that does come up a lot is slip error - I'm no expert but I gather this is when the gun moves across the vehicle as the reading is being taken (i.e. from the side to the front) - this can be done quickly enough to add significant amounts of speed apparently (again I'm not an expert and I should think this point is argued by speed gun manufacturers).

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Originally Posted by BluePete (Post 1557490)

Well, it would be helpful if you added to that and said what you believe to be wrong ;) I for one would like to know if what I am saying is incorrect. Specifically, you might know the details about the required proofs for speeding charges that have been discussed, i.e. one police officer and another measure for corroboration is OK?

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There were 2 officers in the car btw... I don't think I've got a leg to stand on to try to contest the speed, are the notorious Dumfries & Galloway magistrates courts seriously going to take the word of the accused over that of two coppers with a speed gun?

I think my only hope is to hang my head if/when it comes to court day, grit my teeth and hope the sheriff's wife put out that morning.

I'm half way through my IAM, I wonder if getting that passed prior to any court appearences would shed me in any better light? What about character references? I could gather plenty of those from supposed upstanding members of the community, namely a Senior Accountant, a Doctor, CID Police Inspector etc.

Anything really!!

Re: 101mph in a 60.

Scottish Law is different to English, so I can't comment on corroborartion requirements.
I do know that handheld RADAR isn't used any more, (at least in my experience) so the discussions about vibration can be discounted.
From what I have read about lasers giving speed readings on a stationary object as a vehicle passes, it appears to read that the laser isn't alligned correctly. If the checks are carried out and the unit passes before the use of the laser, the accuracy of the beam is fine and will only record the speed of the object it is pointed at. This is the same as saying "Bullets never hit the target" If the sights are out, they are bound not to. Same thing here.
Having said that, I have spent ages trying to get stationary objects to give a speed other that 0 mph and the safeguards built in to the unit return an error reading saying the laser was moved during the recording of the speed.

The OP accepts he was speeding, Good luck to him, get some real legal advice.