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how much are they new about £3.5k

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yep, irritated though as all the dealers up here seem to close until Jan 5th,(going as far down as edinburgh!) so doesnt look like be able to get the 0% finance, crappy holidays:smt019

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absoloute bargain when you look at what your getting.

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yeah i know

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how much are r30's going for do you know.

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every new vehicle less than 10 years old has to get something called european whole vehicle type approval before it can legally be sold and used on the road in europe, it's essentially a test of everything on a vehicle from exhaust emissions and noise to how far from the ground the brake lights are - manufacturers put a sample vehicle through the test before they send them to dealers so one certificate applies to all examples of the model sold - without the certificate you cannot register a new vehicle on the road, unless...

you can submit a unique vehicle such as a trike or chopper for the motorcycle single vehicle approval test (MSVA), a slightly scaled down version of the EWVTA test, the same rules apply and you'll have to provide evidence for any aspect that can't be tested during the inspection, if it passes you'll get a ministers approval code (MAC) that you put on the DVLA form when registering the bike

the only way to register a bike that has no EWVTA number and hasn't passed an MSVA test is if it is exempt from type approval, exemptions exists for several catagories, one of which is enduro bikes that essentially are used off public highways but have to travel on short sections of highway to get between enduro stages, whhether the bike meets the requirements of the enduro catagory if it's being used socially on the road is dubious at best, and nobody has found out what the dvla might do if they find the vehicle being used - but there are plenty of people with bikes registered in this fashion (my KTM for example)

basically, registering it using the enduro "loophole" is much easir and cheaper than submitting it for an MSVA test, and a dealer can do it on a new bike with no questions asked, although to me it seems like a proper legal grey area...

insurers don't care how the bike is registered, if it's on the list of online insurers bikes then you'll find it no more difficult than any other bike, if it's not then you have to phone around, my ktm is one of only 6 or so that i know of that are registered in the UK and i managed to get insurance on it as a "misc KTM motorcycle under 600cc"

MOTs don't care either, you submit the bike and so long as it meets the MOT requirements it'll pass, on the E model you'll have to fit a horn and probably road legal tyres

i still reckon you'll kick yourself for buying a new one, even with 0% finance you're still paying more than double what a pristine used bike would cost you, if you're buying on finance because you haven't got the money right now then i hope you don't get into money worries with the economy going down the pan or you'll end up in a whole heap of it...

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thanks mate, it would be my first new bike, my concern about buying one of these 2nd hand is that they may have had a hard life could be buying someone else s*it as it were, will look into though. I am also limited in choice as i live north east Scotland not many private sales of drz round here that means dealers second hand prices and they seem to be stupidly high.

I think by the looks of it the the e may be the wrong model choice for me and the sm would be more sensible due to the distance needed to go to the track here (after fitting off road tyres) brings me onto the next question how road legal is an sm with off road tyres do you get road legal off road tyres?? As you can tell first off road bike would the sm be able to handle all the basic stuff( after fitting knobbly tyres)

Thanks Again

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you won't kill a drz without something drastic, people have ridden for several hours int he desert with no air filter sucking sand into the piston and not killed them - buying used isn't difficult, and with the way things are right now it's a buyers market...

fitting knobblies to an sm raises a few questions, you'll almost certainly have to inform your insurer but a decent one will accommodate, the brakes may be a bit too powerful for off road tyres so either fit the S model setup or learn to be gentle, this also means the disc is more likely to catch on rocks and ruts etc, the USD forks are also more vunerable to damage and general wear from off road riding so a pair of gaiters might not be a bad idea - other than that it should be fine

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Think about which model you want before you buy.

S is road legal / part offroad bike - but needs some minor mods for any regular offroad use (sprockets as its geared too high)
E is the offroad bike with more powerful engine- very worthwhile as the extra 10hp isnt cheap to add with aftermarket bits- but not road legal - no idea how much it costs to register/add in the electrics etc
SM is road legal/fun/track bike but not good for off road use

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Is it simple?? - carb £200-300 plus new choke/throttle linkages, new cams/shims, high compression gaskets. Would be happy to get a bit more from my DRZ but it looks expensive?