Are you taking the ****?

No, I thought you were.

I never take the ****.

Good, good.

I do sometimes, but not on this occassion.

Sometimes Ulster says NO though. In a loud, resonant voice.

NOOOO.

Like that.
BTW, when I said left wing BBC, I was sort of taking the **** out of something that Gudster said earlier.
Lads, BBC is not that left wing. It really isn't. It's a pretty reasonable source of information. Anyway, define left wing, or liberal. It is becomeing a word like terrorist. Ie, meaning nothing.

That's what I was asking a few posts ago, but Supervox got me even more confoosed... :?

I don't think the Daily Mail could be accused of being left wing but the BBC is a more interesting debate.Our left of centre (maybe) government certainly thought the Beeb was a hotbed of revolutionaries when it dared to stand up to them over the sexy dossier,but most real lefties think the beeb is hidebound by it's pro establishment traditions and largely unable to make valid critisism of government.
Judging by the way the beeb got stamped on over it's sexy dossier affair,and that it is unlikely it could expose a similar fiasco today I tend to side with the lefties on this one.

Oh come on now. The UK has one of the most liberal socialist governments in the world. Labour has gone so far left the Tories have been pulled to the middle ground. Even the BNP is edgeing ever closer to the centre.

You can argue about how left or socialist our government is but I draw the line at liberal.Liberal they are not,indeed this is the most authoritarian administration in my living memory,and having tried to study a bit of history,since the war.
The left right debate goes on but my take is that authoritarianism is the real evil,wherever it comes from,and I include religeon in that.

Yes there is no end to the right left debate. Everybody's idea is different.

Authoritarianism/totalitarianism can and has benefitted many countries.

Oh right. Normally I just completely ignore whatever you post Filipe :wink: Sorry about that.

Its that long swishing hair, and elaborate and bold hand gestures that throws you when you are chatting with the vox.

Oh yeah, and UlsterSV, your attitudes give the viewers a valuable insight into how the North was, and is, fscked up for such a long time. Cheers.

Don't think it's benefitting us much at the moment.Lack of real critisism has enabled our esteemed leaders to take us into a war we did'nt want or need contrary to the law,terrorism at home leading to ever more draconian legislation restricting the freedom of British people,a suveillance culture here that is hugely more intrusive than any where else in the world(except Singapore,possibly the most boring place on earth :shock: )and the promise of much more to come.
Totalitarian government did'nt really benefit Germany,Japan,Italy,Spain,USSR,and half a dozen former Eastern bloc countries much until they got rid of it either.

Well that's a whole other debate really and could easily be argued about for another 9 pages. And I don't want to derail Akbar's thread :) I'm just so glad he's around and I don't want to drive him away :roll: :lol:

Perhaps Akbar could give us some pointers on religeous authoritarianism and where we go from here.Or would that be tempting fate? :idea: Tempting Fatwah :?: :wink:

I'd get my coat but it's too hot. :wink:

To escape this political drudgery I am planning on forming a 21st Century Love brotherhood. The place will abound with semi naked beautiful girls and chaps with long hair and beards who will oft be heard to utter such wisdoms as "far out man" and " We all love you brother." The commune will be largely self funded by the sale of organic vegetables from our own allotment which will utilise an interesting line in human fertiliser. Further income will come from blankets crochet'd from navel fluff.

Sign up now via pm...you know this is the way to go. :wink:

Hey Man will there be somewhere wet and warm for the mushrooms to grow?
Will EL BOC be allowed in with no hair?
After this weekend will you be allowed in with no hair?
Is this some thing to do with that four(ty) skinner you posted?

Maaaan,Biggles Baby all will be welcome. El Boccy would be like a God like figure at who's feet we would gather with our guitars and tambourines to sing jaunty songs.

There may be some cultivation of recreational herbs in the allotment, that I can allow. :wink:

If England make the final, I've got a surgical strike lined up for him too...

Its a dirty job, but, someone has to post up the obligatory Withnail and I quote at this point.

I make no apologies. It needed to be done.

Phil...Where on earth did you "root" that up from? :wink: :P

Ah yes, I like the sound of this.......

http://upload4.postimage.org/364252/Boclord.jpg

I will rule beatifically in a land where all right-minded people will enjoy a good Puff, and only I am allowed body-hair.

I will decree that, every 30 minutes in daylight hours, a procession of earnest young women wearing batik skirts and Thai silk blouses will pass by bearing baskets of sumptuous fruit, gently humming "Kumbaya" whilst offering their melons.

(And assuming Akbar doesn't have to leave Leicester de Montfort too early to catch the bus home, he might like to chip in with a chorus from "Three Little Billy Goats Gruff")

Defo :winner: - gets my vote - where do I sign up??! :lol:

now ive had my WorldCup fix for the day, .....

With post-modern moral relativism , leftists can say a word like 'terrorist' really means nothing.
I suppose, in the same way, the word 'racist' must mean nothing too...?

And since it was i who initially mentioned the BBC.....
regardless of how you might wish to classify its politics,... its subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) agenda might be summarised as follows, especially on their website....

America is bad
Islam is good
Science is dangerous
Immigration/Multiculturalism is good
The state should tackle all kinds of problem
Capitalism needs reigning in
Iraq has turned to custard
Only white people are racist
Racism is very much worse than any other crime

(*edit ...and i forgot....)
Israelis are monsters
Palistinians are helpless victims
Global warming is a capitalist man-made doomsday
Africa is ace
Violent rap/urban culture is kool
(im sure theres many more that ive missed out, but this'll do for now)

personally.. i'd be inclined to call that a leftist/PeeCee-liberal position.


also read this article published a couple of days ago, by Times columnist Gerard Baker.....
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...cated_new.html


.....and may god bless En-ger-land.

You watch, or read, a different BBC to the normal one. "America is bad, Islam is good"? Science is dangerous?

Edit: Just read your article. I'm considering submitting it to the OED. "Bias: See http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/06/bbc_bringing_sophisticated_new.html"

You're odd Gudster. You keep on putting in these pro england messages at the end of your posts. Almost as if... I dunno, you are seeking a little kudos there.

Anyway. I am a scientist. Thats my job. Research science. I read the BBC on a daily basis. Anti science, half truths, and mis-information really irritates me. If it was in the BBC, I would have noticed. And, its not.

Then there is the misc list of other things that you say the BBC is secretly trying to sell us. And, essentially, I see no evidence for any of them. I see an article written by Gerard something. Which is nice. Where he says a load of things, and the evidence info can be found in a blog somewhere, which he doesnt hyperlink. Because, if he says its there, why would we need to check, right?

Huh? Do leftists have the patent on peace now? Peace-liberal?

I mean, I am just curious. I noticed how the US has dragged the word "liberal" to the same place as say "sewer". I used to be under the immpression that liberalism was a political tradition holding liberty as a primary value.

Liberty? Like, freedom. Like, emmm, lets see, allowing the general population decide who governs them? Allowing woman to vote, allowing black people have civil rights, the right to a fair triall, allowing you to not be religious if you want. Not living in a corrupt police state. Those sorts of things.

I was wrong though. I now know that liberalism is about letting those jewish gay boys in Hollywood tell you what you can wear.

I see now.

But, now you are saying that Peace is actually tightly associated with Liberalism. So much so, that you can just join the words there into one word. So like, if you want peace you secretly are a bit of a pussy, (ie a Liberal), and you just havnt got the balls to stand up to anyone.

I getcha. Cheers for the heads up.

And why is your chica wairing a skirt now? I preffered the ass.

I had one of the most interesting taxi rides of my life in Barbados. Needed to get from one side of the island to the other - called a taxi from a bar - taxi arrives driver comes in orders a TUMBLER full of 98% proof local rum (looked like molasses it was that thick) - shows us to his taxi - 1960's T-Bird !! Gets in, winds the stereo up to max (local Reggae only station) reaches under his seat pulls out a shoe box full of 'local product' - lights up - chucks 2 back to us & then drives at full tilt all the way to our destination - couldn't stop giggling all the way !! :lol:

Gudster speaks the truth.

http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

peecee (= P.C.) not peace (ive done an edit to clarify)

the ass was banned, so she had to put knicks on.

how about?... just lightening the mood.
i dunno.. you lefties and your conspiracy theories

:roll:

Oh maaaaaaaan!! Next time your in a cab......I'll join you!!! Who's gonna ride shot gun? :wink: :lol: :lol: