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Sosha 12-08-08 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceri JC (Post 1592542)
Wouldn't make a difference to me, I'd still say the latter should get more compensation than the drunk one.

How about bad judgment vs inebriation?

In one the victim was by her own admission absolutely hammered and climbed into the first car that offered her a lift home. In the other, a woman finished work late & missed the last train home. She accepted a lift from a stranger. How would you split the money?

neio79 12-08-08 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sosha (Post 1592552)
How about bad judgment vs inebriation?

In one the victim was by her own admission absolutely hammered and climbed into the first car that offered her a lift home. In the other, a woman finished work late & missed the last train home. She accepted a lift from a stranger. How would you split the money?

neither deserve compensation, they deserve justice!!

gettin2dizzy 12-08-08 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sosha (Post 1592552)
How about bad judgment vs inebriation?

In one the victim was by her own admission absolutely hammered and climbed into the first car that offered her a lift home. In the other, a woman finished work late & missed the last train home. She accepted a lift from a stranger. How would you split the money?

This is a pointless exercise. This isn't a case about someone having a few glasses of wine and being raped. The case is about the uncertain prosectution when the victim isn't able to properly provide any recollection of the event.

Sosha 12-08-08 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy (Post 1592555)
This is a pointless exercise. This isn't a case about someone having a few glasses of wine and being raped. The case is about the uncertain prosectution when the victim isn't able to properly provide any recollection of the event.


Was personally wondering more about this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/12/justice


"The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority was under pressure today to give full payouts to at least 14 rape victims who had their awards cut because they had been drinking when they were attacked.
Justice minister Bridget Prentice called on the body to automatically review cases where women had been told their alcohol consumption had contributed to their fate, insisting it was not government policy to blame victims and the guidelines had been wrong applied."


But I believe you're right - it is a pointless excersise as I don't think you can generalise.

Ceri JC 12-08-08 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1592553)
neither deserve compensation, they deserve justice!!

This is true. I don't really see why the victim should get compensation unless it's from the criminal concerned (rather than the taxpayer) or the crime means that their usual avenues of income are cut off or that they inccur additional costs above those they would have had the crime not been committed.

DanAbnormal 12-08-08 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1592553)
neither deserve compensation, they deserve justice!!

+1

Money makes the whole thing seem a little cheap. Like they are only miffed because they are not getting as much money out of it. I've not read the articel so can't comment on that part. Being raped is the most single horrifying , life scarring experience a person can go through. How the hell they can even consider money as some form of justice is just as messed up.

Sosha 12-08-08 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceri JC (Post 1592566)
I don't really see why the victim should get compensation unless it's from the criminal concerned (rather than the taxpayer) or the crime means that their usual avenues of income are cut off or that they inccur additional costs above those they would have had the crime not been committed.

Don't see why the taxpayer shouldn't foot the bill if the criminal concerned is skint or unavailable - like hospital costs, un-employment benefit etc. Other than that agreed.

neio79 12-08-08 05:00 PM

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take the compo from the criminals assets first.

Messie 12-08-08 05:20 PM

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I'm sorry but alcohol has nothing to do with it - neither the crime nor the compensation.

A person was RAPED. That means they were forced to have non-consensual sex. That means there was a RAPIST. The personality, background, inebriation, colour, clothes or anything else about the victim is irrelevant. Someone (the rapist) commited an offense against another (in this case woman but would equally apply to a man).

It really is that simple.



PS and as I recall financial compensation is available from the public purse for anyone who is the victim of a crime.

gettin2dizzy 12-08-08 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Messie (Post 1592639)
I'm sorry but alcohol has nothing to do with it - neither the crime nor the compensation.

A person was RAPED. That means they were forced to have non-consensual sex. That means there was a RAPIST. The personality, background, inebriation, colour, clothes or anything else about the victim is irrelevant. Someone (the rapist) commited an offense against another (in this case woman but would equally apply to a man).

It really is that simple.

It is simple. But not like that.

If someone is raped, the rape is a crime regardless.
If someone wakes up with no recollection of the event, you can't claim rape as you can't be sure of your actions to tell if it was crime or not. Locking up an innocent man however; is a crime.

Don't be so quick to judge everyone as guilty.


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