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Jabba 31-01-08 06:12 PM
Driving Without Due Care & Attention?
 
Hi guys,

Anyone on here been charged/convicted of Driving Without Due Care and Attention?

Why do I ask? Well, there's this person I know........ :lol:

No, it's not me!

I'm interested to know:

1. The circumstances
2. Car or 'bike
3. Anyone hurt?
4. The penalty the Court imposed

If you feel able to reply on here then please do, otherwise please PM me. All PMs treated in confidence :thumbsup:

hovis 31-01-08 06:18 PM
Re: Driving Without Due Care & Attention?
 
i think Driving Without Due Care and Attention covers a whole lot of things,

i got 3 points and a fine (long time ago)

i lost contol of my fathers dolomite and took out a lampost

Xan173 31-01-08 06:22 PM
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Yup me too, entered a roundabout nipping in behind a car that was already on it a bit too close for the coppers liking. No impact, not speeding etc.

That was in Swindon shortly after I moved there from London. In a car.

Lissa 31-01-08 06:41 PM
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A lad we know had a BIG accident in his works van last year. Broke his neck, fractured his skull, etc.

He was charged with driving without due care and attention, and even though no other person or vehicle were involved the judge gave him a 8 month ban and an £800 fine.

Bluepete 31-01-08 07:04 PM
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The court the case is heard at will also make a massive difference. Salford Magistrates are the most lenient court I have ever been to for motoring offences. Conversley, Wigan Mags are the harshest bunch of beaks in the world and often impose maximum sentences.

Pedro68 31-01-08 07:09 PM
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Nope .... managed to avoid that one thanks to GMP who very kindly asked me to attend one of their "National Driver Improvement Schemes" :) at a cost of £150 :(

But it saved me from being charged, and getting a fine (d'oh!) and getting points on my licence (which thankfully is still clean :D)

My offence?
I did the unthinkable ... I hit a guy in an Audi when he was changing lanes ... and I was filtering :oops: Police say I was filtering too fast ... accepted tho ;-) like BluePete's sig says ;-)

busasean 31-01-08 08:13 PM
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yep in 1998, for wheeling my africa twin away from lights in barkingside, and then overtaking on the wrong side of bollards at 60 mph in a 30..... still on the back wheel. the copper in the big marked dog van behind me wasnt impressed! ?180 fine and 3 points (on top of the 6 I already had for speeding). lucky not to get banned. - took the bollocking on the chin up to the point where he starting to write out the summons whilst effing and blinding at me. last time I ever got points for anything due to my managing director going even more ballistic and threatening to sack me (and realising it wasnt big or clever doing wheelies in a town centre).

blueto 31-01-08 08:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by busasean (Post 1402791)
yep in 1998, for wheeling my africa twin away from lights in barkingside, and then overtaking on the wrong side of bollards at 60 mph in a 30..... still on the back wheel. the copper in the big marked dog van behind me wasnt impressed! ?180 fine and 3 points (on top of the 6 I already had for speeding). lucky not to get banned. - took the bollocking on the chin up to the point where he starting to write out the summons whilst effing and blinding at me. last time I ever got points for anything due to my managing director going even more ballistic and threatening to sack me (and realising it wasnt big or clever doing wheelies in a town centre).
thats funny:D

Messie 31-01-08 08:40 PM
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mmm in 1978 and I got an endorsement for it.

On my CB250 following my b/f (on his lovely Z900) straight out of a junction without really looking. Hit the front of a car, went over the top, crappy helmet flew off and I ended up staring at the underside of the side of the car in between the front and back wheel! Ooooh scary.

Too long ago to be useful I guess. But I didn't ask anyone else to take the blame tho! ( sorry different discussion)

Stig 31-01-08 08:44 PM
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Nope. I've only been done for the lesser offence of dangerous driving.

Jabba 31-01-08 10:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigApe (Post 1402844)
Nope. I've only been done for the lesser offence of dangerous driving.
:lol:

Thanks everyone - keep 'em coming :thumbsup:

busasean 31-01-08 11:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blueto (Post 1402826)
thats funny:D
in fairness there were no pedestrians or on coming traffic but all the same i deserved a kick up the **** ( which i got!). what irritates me now is the police obssesion with speeding.

monkey 01-02-08 12:57 AM
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I knew a fella that turned his car over at about 4 in the morning on an empty motorway. Got a year ban. Within the year he rode a Ninja into a woman's car and broke his leg. You have no idea how close I was to grassing him up to try and keep him off the road a bit longer. Not sure if a broken leg was punishment enough.

yorkie_chris 01-02-08 01:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by teriyakimonkey (Post 1403017)
I knew a fella that turned his car over at about 4 in the morning on an empty motorway. Got a year ban.
This might be seen as a really stupid POV...

But why punish someone for being a tit? Surely his insurance would have given him a kicking after recieving the bill for the crash barriers, and he'd have a car to fix.
Nobody hurt

If he had passengers then it's a different story, endangering someone else is wrong

Pedro68 01-02-08 08:11 AM
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My brother rolled his car down an embankment ... he was driving too fast for the road conditions (heavy rain, pools of water on the road). He came round a bend and went straight through a pool of water, aquaplaned and went through a fence and down an embankment towards the motorway.

He was stuck in the car for several minutes until he got his bearings and then unclipped his seat belt and managed to crawl out of the drivers smashed window.

Then when the recovery truck arrived, the driver asked where the car driver was and my brother said "I'm here! Just!". The recovery truck driver then shook his head and said, "You're one lucky barsteward ... I've picked up cars that have been nowhere near as badly damaged as this and the driver was taken away in a body bag".

The police also said that had he been going any faster he would almost have certainly made it onto the oncoming carriageway of the motorway.

That was all he needed to learn his lesson.

ThEGr33k 01-02-08 09:43 AM
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OK this is wierd... I actually wrote on the perfect car thread... :S

Ceri JC 01-02-08 11:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xan173 (Post 1402635)
Yup me too, entered a roundabout nipping in behind a car that was already on it a bit too close for the coppers liking. No impact, not speeding etc.

That was in Swindon shortly after I moved there from London. In a car.
Don't get me started on Swindon's roundabouts. :D

Daimo 01-02-08 11:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by busasean (Post 1402791)
yep in 1998, for wheeling my africa twin away from lights in barkingside, and then overtaking on the wrong side of bollards at 60 mph in a 30..... still on the back wheel. the copper in the big marked dog van behind me wasnt impressed! ?180 fine and 3 points (on top of the 6 I already had for speeding). lucky not to get banned. - took the bollocking on the chin up to the point where he starting to write out the summons whilst effing and blinding at me. last time I ever got points for anything due to my managing director going even more ballistic and threatening to sack me (and realising it wasnt big or clever doing wheelies in a town centre).

:lol:

But to me thats no DWODCAA (short version :lol: ) as your clearly paying full attention to what your doing.

Thats just would be dangerous driving imo (legally blah blah).

Another reason though not to learn wheelies properly :lol:

busasean 01-02-08 12:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daimo (Post 1403248)
:lol:

But to me thats no DWODCAA (short version :lol: ) as your clearly paying full attention to what your doing.

Thats just would be dangerous driving imo (legally blah blah).

Another reason though not to learn wheelies properly :lol:
i used to be brilliant at wheelies, but this was the 3rd time i'd been caught (3rd time lucky!) so the writing was on the wall. knew i was going to get clobbered for it as well. the funny thing was about 2 months before i got caught by surrey traffic at 10pm on the m25 at 117mph. the copper was ****ing himself laughing that i got 117mph out of my africa twin. they commented on my good observation, lane discipline, and the fact that my africa twin had over 100,000 miles and was immaculate but gave me 3 points anyway for the fact that my pillion only had jeans, trainers and a paddock jacket on! although i have done some silly things I've had some good points made by coppers, but the majority of traffic coppers are lazy jobsworth tossers.

Ceri JC 01-02-08 12:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigApe (Post 1402844)
Nope. I've only been done for the lesser offence of dangerous driving.
At least with dangerous driving, you're paying attention and really having to focus on your speeding (or in your case, probably wheelie :D). It's just deemed dangerous by people who aren't as aware of (or perhaps have lower acceptable thresholds for) risk than you. DWDC implies you aren't paying attention- not checking mirrors, engrossed in playing with the radio, etc.

Stig 01-02-08 01:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceri JC (Post 1403326)
At least with dangerous driving, you're paying attention and really having to focus on your speeding (or in your case, probably wheelie :D). It's just deemed dangerous by people who aren't as aware of (or perhaps have lower acceptable thresholds for) risk than you. DWDC implies you aren't paying attention- not checking mirrors, engrossed in playing with the radio, etc.

Really :?: I was drunk at the time I could barely make out the road in front of me.

Ceri JC 01-02-08 01:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigApe (Post 1403346)
Really :?: I was drunk at the time I could barely make out the road in front of me.
Ah. Probably not in that case, no. :neutral:

flymo 01-02-08 01:52 PM
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Now THE funniest thing I ever saw involving a bike and the police was one bike meet night at the Scotch Piper near Formby. It was the typical bike meet, except that its on a straight stretch of country road.

We had wheelies galore, people zooming past at warp 10 and all sorts. The famous stunt rider Craig Jones lives nearby and he was there this night performing stunts up and down the road. So, as he finishes this monster burnout and the smoke began to clear there was this cop car that had stopped with lights flashing....only to see Craig sat there red handed on the offending Bandit 1200 :-)

So the copper started to book him at the side of the road and one of Craigs pals leaned into the police car that had been left unattended, took the keys and lobbed them as far as he could into a dark ploughed field over the hedge.

There was about 300 people laughing their tits off for about 30 mins while this copper tries to find his keys. Eventually he said "I'll keep the ticket if you find 'em" and so the 300 strong crowd launched into this field to find the keys, got em in the end.

Totally classic. And not a word of a lie.

Ceri JC 01-02-08 03:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flymo_racer (Post 1403374)
Now THE funniest thing I ever saw involving a bike and the police was one bike meet night at the Scotch Piper near Formby. It was the typical bike meet, except that its on a straight stretch of country road.

We had wheelies galore, people zooming past at warp 10 and all sorts. The famous stunt rider Craig Jones lives nearby and he was there this night performing stunts up and down the road. So, as he finishes this monster burnout and the smoke began to clear there was this cop car that had stopped with lights flashing....only to see Craig sat there red handed on the offending Bandit 1200 :-)

So the copper started to book him at the side of the road and one of Craigs pals leaned into the police car that had been left unattended, took the keys and lobbed them as far as he could into a dark ploughed field over the hedge.

There was about 300 people laughing their tits off for about 30 mins while this copper tries to find his keys. Eventually he said "I'll keep the ticket if you find 'em" and so the 300 strong crowd launched into this field to find the keys, got em in the end.

Totally classic. And not a word of a lie.
Bbrilliant! :D

Stig 01-02-08 04:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubberduckofdeath (Post 1403445)
I'm not sure whether to laugh or not!!! :lol:
It was a joke, please do laugh. :lol:

-Ralph- 01-02-08 04:13 PM
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In 1993 a woman who pulled out on me from a side road got 6 points and ?600 fine for due care and attention. The guy behind me witnessed, and he just through co-incidence was the owner of a local bike dealership and had a birds eye view from the dealerships transit van, the copper who turned up on the scene was a bike cop and wasn't happy at all and went to town on her. :D Cager didn't really stand a chance at the roadside or in court, serves her right!

-Ralph- 01-02-08 04:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flymo_racer (Post 1403374)
Now THE funniest thing I ever saw involving a bike and the police was one bike meet night at the Scotch Piper near Formby. It was the typical bike meet, except that its on a straight stretch of country road.

We had wheelies galore, people zooming past at warp 10 and all sorts. The famous stunt rider Craig Jones lives nearby and he was there this night performing stunts up and down the road. So, as he finishes this monster burnout and the smoke began to clear there was this cop car that had stopped with lights flashing....only to see Craig sat there red handed on the offending Bandit 1200 :-)

So the copper started to book him at the side of the road and one of Craigs pals leaned into the police car that had been left unattended, took the keys and lobbed them as far as he could into a dark ploughed field over the hedge.

There was about 300 people laughing their tits off for about 30 mins while this copper tries to find his keys. Eventually he said "I'll keep the ticket if you find 'em" and so the 300 strong crowd launched into this field to find the keys, got em in the end.

Totally classic. And not a word of a lie.
Great. Exactly what I've wanted to do a million times when somebody does something stupid and nearly knocks you off in traffic, but never done it 'cos I was worried if I could get charged with theft or something.

Bluepete 01-02-08 04:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flymo_racer (Post 1403374)
Now THE funniest thing I ever saw involving a bike and the police was one bike meet night at the Scotch Piper near Formby. It was the typical bike meet, except that its on a straight stretch of country road.

We had wheelies galore, people zooming past at warp 10 and all sorts. The famous stunt rider Craig Jones lives nearby and he was there this night performing stunts up and down the road. So, as he finishes this monster burnout and the smoke began to clear there was this cop car that had stopped with lights flashing....only to see Craig sat there red handed on the offending Bandit 1200 :-)

So the copper started to book him at the side of the road and one of Craigs pals leaned into the police car that had been left unattended, took the keys and lobbed them as far as he could into a dark ploughed field over the hedge.

There was about 300 people laughing their tits off for about 30 mins while this copper tries to find his keys. Eventually he said "I'll keep the ticket if you find 'em" and so the 300 strong crowd launched into this field to find the keys, got em in the end.

Totally classic. And not a word of a lie.
Love it! I've never lost my keys yet! Now other peoples keys........ :rolleyes:

yorkie_chris 01-02-08 04:29 PM
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Hmm possibly the amusement value would get you a lighter penalty than assault though :)


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