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...a junction or an entrance to a farmers field.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3vctLAvlkgo Why is it that bushes always like nice and soft, but when you ride into one they always stab in all the wrong places. |
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lucky very lucky, but the corner did not seem that sharp, what went wrong did you not lok through it enough, and fixated on the bush???
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Didn't notice your helmet turn to look round the corner. Where was this out of curiosity, I'm assuming its localish to both of us?
Anyway, glad you came out unscathed, bet you were glad to get home! |
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Also, riding roads like that, with a decent view I'd sit closer to the middle of the road, not the middle of the lane that isn't marked ;)
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Last weekend I went down the road I come a cropper on, piece of **** to ride :( |
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Jesus christ dude, get yourself on a bike safe course.....3 occasions on one ride where if the runoff had been into a wall, up a kerb, or into a group of people it could have been a whole lot worse.
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You really need to get some cornering practise. Look around the bend, not at the bush/road. And you really need to lean the bike a lot more. Very lucky
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I've watched him ride and to me this looks like a bad day :confused: |
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The view is kinda like being pillion, so I'm traumatised by watching that.
If I really was on the back, your kidneys would be so bruised you'd pee claret... |
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Before I reply here was the route I was on: http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=93564
After adapting it it come to a total of 197 miles of pure riding with no stops. It didn't help that the tire was just above the legal limit. Quote:
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If you watch the video very slowly you will see just before hitting the bush I managed to lock the rear wheel, kick the rear to the right so I went slightly side on and missed the main part. I felt like I was leaning the bike over enough because I got my toe down once and covered 95% of the extremely squared off tire. Just something I'll put down to experience and learn from. |
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dude, that was more than lucky.
watch those right hand bends fella. |
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Oooh boy, you're lucky you got off so lightly. Nice job keeping it upright in the jungle but what was going on there?
Live and learn. On that evidence you need to go back to absolute basics. Riding for fun can't be much fun with that in the back of your mind. Slow right down until you sort yourself out, or get some tuition. |
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Dont be so defensive you messed up - but you didnt have to put it up on youtube etc, you could have pretended it never happened and deleted the file - you didnt, and you used it to reflect on what went wrong - good on ya. My only advice would be to get that squared tyre sorted out - the way the bike would tip in on new rubber would have given you the confidence to have made that turn. Glad you are fine, that the bike is fine and that you have learned something. Next thing to learn is to never comment on your speed on the internet..... |
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I cant see why that happend on the second time, you didnt seem to attempt to go around the corner?
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If you'd done that on our rideout I'd have given you such a slap!:p
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She would an all ;-)
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wow respect for posting that up mate, you must have been crapping a brick sideways, i know i would have been :)
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thats funny!
lean your dam bike!!!! |
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you wernt looking at the satnav were you?
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Oh, if you're out that way and want company, PM me ;)
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Yes, the one and only time I listened to an ipod I ended up getting my knee down, shortly followed by my arm and head.. Never again! |
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Live and learn matey :) |
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i think on the first corner you wernt committed to the corner got abit destracted by the car etc, on the second one the bike certainly looked like it got abit upset by a bumpin the road of sumthin which unsettled you and you sat the bike up. The third one dont know what the hell that was all about lol. Definately need to practice your cornering though you wont always get away with those..
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Ipods on a bike FFS like you say the engine should be all the music you need, personaly i think its dangerous as it takes away one of the senses and is destracting.
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just a suggestion but i think you would benefit grately from a novice trackday to get mroe acustomed to cornering on your bike.
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On the second one, I was wondering if you even moved the bars to be honest. If it was loose gravel though then you are asking for trouble. Get some practice on a track before you hurt yourself. |
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Hmm I know this is going to sound really defensive, but it's not meant to be in anyway, shape or form. I just find it hard that people are judging my cornering techniques on a video that I don't even lean on. I knew all 3 times I was going to run wide but I didn't know by how much. The last thing I wanted to do was lean over the bike while braking. :D
What I'll do tomorrow is I'll upload the video of me, earlier in that day on the road of bones. Then I'll then be a lot happier if you still all said that I still need to lean the bike because at least you have something proper to judge. ;) |
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You can corner on the brakes, just not hard on the brakes. In the case of corner number 1 you were obviously lucky because you had run off to get away with it. However, you need to decide when to turn in. Once decided ease off the brakes and lean it over. 99% of the time the bike will take the corner no problem, its teh rider that decides it cant. |
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More practice and maybe read up on some observation tehniques, did seem like you were looking ahead rather than round. I was pretty bad for this, that and not putting any power on round corners which just unsettled it. That and just keep reminding yourself "the bike's faster than me" Also if you're going to run wide, then surely if it's a wall rather than a nice cuddly hedge, you're better off going into it at an angle... I've seen someone go in far too hot before and end up with the tyre on the kerb and that's the only thing that's kept them out of a ditch. Suppose it's better IMO to fight it out and try get round than bottle it and slam the anchors on. |
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Definately get yourself on a few trackdays or start doing some advanced riding. You were going easily slow enough to make the corners but as it has pointed out already your helmet kept looking forward and not through the bend. Fair play for sticking the video up though. DOH!!!
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Tut,tut Seggons.
Most of us have done that I'm sure. I think you're better than that. :o Another tip is always be in a low enough gear to allow you to accelerate smoothly but also give you some engine braking should you need to back off. I appreciate you have a restricted bike so the rev range is limited. Also the rear brake, used carefully, will tighten up your line. But you've got to be attacking the bend first. Also always be wary of following a bike, as they may know the road intimately and even if they are on a CG125, local knowledge can be worth a 100 bhp, and you could end up in serious doo doo. :( Look forward to riding with you again.:) Take care. |
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I agree with the above. Your technique might be okay, but your judgment of the corners in that video is your downfall. In the last incident you stop just off the edge of the road, there's no possible way you were going too fast for it. I'd say the same goes for the first one, and possibly the second, but I think you hit something which upset you there and you certainly left the road with more speed than in the other 2.
It's rather fundamental stuff, reading the road and having confidence in the machine. Slow right down till you get those skills back (if you haven't already). |
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Meh, most have posted about ability and suggestions but the first thing that struck me was the honesty and sheer balls of putting it up there, not only that, pointing it out to a forum of friends. everyone has bad days and with any luck it will help others, the notes made on the video were handy I thought. anyway, glad you made it out unscathed each time and good on you for putting it up there.
PS I did expect to hear a heck of a lot of swearing with the bush incident, either going into or whilst pulling out (anyone sniggering now get your mind out of the gutter :P) |
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Well kudos for putting up that video. My advice is simple:
1) Never try to keep up with somebody, just ride at your own pace. 2) You were going plenty slow enough to get round those bends, you just lack the confidence to tip it in. As someone pointed out, the last one you almost stop still on the road! This shows that you bottled out well before the bend and just sat it up. Get some quiet alone time riding, and practice going round corners and leaning going a bit quicker each time. The bike will grip, at the moment it is your mind that is making you crash. |
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