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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7364475.stm

"Pornographic material which depicts necrophilia, bestiality or violence that is life threatening or likely to result in serious injury to the anus, breasts or genitals has no place in a modern society and should not be tolerated," says a spokeswoman for the ministry.

Ive just written an essay on porn and free expression, and I cant stand the gov. getting involved in our private lives.

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Damn, i did physics at university, wrong choice it seems;)

but yeah, thought police are on the case:rolleyes:

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Taken out of context, that scene in Casino Royale involving a chair with the seat removed and the knotted rope could land you in prison for 3 years if this bill passes........

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Utterly ridiculous! The comments afterwards are bang on too:

"If owning material that contains "An act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life" becomes illegal, then almost every film I own will be illegal. Even if the violence must be in a sex scene I can think of several mainstream films this would include. Basic instinct and Goldeneye to name two."

"Speaking as a psychologist who has taught for nearly 10 years the alleged links between violent media and aggression, I think we need to take a step back here. Despite popular assumptions that watching violent images 'causes' aggression, the evidence (around 1000 published studies) that it does is contradictory and far from conclusive. It is one thing to say that a deeply disturbed and dangerous person may seek out violent pornography to fulfil their deviant fantasies: however it is an entirely different matter to say that normal, well adjusted people will be inspired to commit violent crimes if they watch such images. If we wish to avoid such tragedies happening again, we should take a wider look at how people become so disturbed that they lose the ability to judge right from wrong and commit such atrocities. A debate over whether such pornography is banned or not is therefore a side issue as it does not adequately address this matter."

I hate this kind of stuff, there is no freedom anymore.

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I hate the Government getting involved and banning things, but I have to say I won't be fighting to stop this being passed.

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Each to their own, I cant say I'm a fan of getting intimate with animals, dead people, nearly dead people......or being strangled, stabbed, suffocated and poo'ed on (not all the time anyway) but why should me not liking it stop other people doing it out of sight of other.

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Interesting quotoe from the story:

"Do you ban alcohol just because some people are alcoholics?"

The answer is definately "yes", if you want to stop alcoholism.

If (and note the "if") material that is produced encourages 1 man to commit 1 serious crime, then should the material be banned?

I would say yes, but then again, I don't want to watch hardcore violence of any kind.

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What, restrict 60 million people's freedom to stop one death? One death that might well not have been caused by violent porn anyway?? Why not just lock up everyone in the whole world and then noone can commit any murders?

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....and is also the best part of the film!

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I dunno, it made me cringe! :-?

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Having now read the story (probably vital before passing comment;)) ..

As it's already illegal to 'do' any of those acts, I think it is ridiculous they should say portraying it is illegal; only because those laws WILL be abused. Personally I couldn't watch porn with animals and stiffs (;)), tbh I think anyone who does needs their head looking at! It's just weird.

oh...A blind man banning porn....now it makes sense ;)

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I even asked you to note the "if"!

And yeah, personally, I wouldn't want it on my concience.

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Oh and dont forget that you would need to bin your copy of Pulp Fiction as well

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Aargh that didn't half make me cringe, felt for the bloke despite not knowing what it feels like.....painful I should imagine :p

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I noticed the "if", but you did ask whether it should be banned and I gave you my opinion ;)

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The key here is that it is NOT illegal to do these acts, its not just bestiality and necrophilia they are talking about. It is more concerned with snuff films and violent porn, which most of is done by consenting adults acting it. Ergo as you will have noticed seeing as you said you read the article (;)) that it would render the act legal, but the possision of photographs of the act illegal!

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Yep, the key is acting. And just say if my other half (im single so this is sooooo not me im talking about ;)) wanted to engage in a rape fantasy, that would be illegal.

I am very liberal, believe in Mill's harm principle. Clicky for harm principle if you dont know it

you did, and they are :p

I only read 1984 about 2years go, great book about though police, almost phophetic with its modern relevance, great read if you havent.

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It was equally prophetic 20 years ago when I did it at school

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What?

You're weird!

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No more of thos flogging a dead horse vids for you then Lozzo

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I think we all need to be careful when making sweeping "won't somone please think of the childeren!?" comments.

People die every year riding bikes, if they're banned the problem goes away doesn't it. Gotta be worth it too, these fools need saving from themselves....

And yes I did note "Quote from the article" rather than you saying this was your own personal view.;)

Jambo

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My point was intended to play devils advocate, and my final comment was also put in to really pass comment on society in general - if it doesn't affect you personnaly, then the "I'm alright Jack" attitude tends to surface.

Biking and being murdered are very different though, (that the person being murdered has no choice in the matter), but I see your point. How far does / should the nanny state go?

I am sure if I said that the murdered girl should have lerarned karate or something, then everyone would also be up in arms!

I am all for freedon of personal choice, and I don't like the nanny state we are living in as much as the next person. But what if someones life could be saved? Is it worth banning extreme material? Even for just one life? That was the point I was making, although I fear I am not possible expressing myself to well today. :(

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I feel your point might be contradictory, maybe ive miss interpreted it. You cant have freedom and protection of the individual, they are mutually exclusive if you are talking about only 1 life.

I should be able to take what ever drugs I want, then go for a sky jump, if i feel fit. none of my actions will have a direct effect on anyone. But the 'nanny state' state interfears in an attempt to preseve my life. But I argue, that the state does not have a right to interfear in this.

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I am talking about someone ending another life, not ending your own, through your own actions, if you see what I mean.

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ah right sure. I doubt there would be anyone who would argue against legislation preventing you killing another. But there is already this legislation in place and has been for many years.
But back the porn, the new law aims to make it illegal for concenting actors to protray killing and rape and other acts of harm. which IMO has got nothing to do with government. If it was real rape and real killing, then there are already laws in place to deal with it.

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Just more evidence that UK.GOV has been reading "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand

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Why have I not heard of this book!! :confused: I know what Im getting after my exams!! :cool:

You raise a valid point though SoulKiss, government cant rule without fear. Without telling the people to be afaid of the monsters in the dark.

But i get tired of preching to the unconcerned and ranting to the converted :-|

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Hmmm, so no "extreme porn" and they'd have to look elsewhere for the "fulfillment" of their fantasies... like actually killing people.

Obviously watching paid, consenting actors is much, much worse.



P.s soulkiss hit the nail on the head, and comrades blair and brown have been doing a pretty fkin good job of creating USSR v.2.0

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PMS:lol:

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Damn.

That's me with a lot more time on my hands then. Er.

I'd best cancel my subscription to the binternet.

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Great quote.

You can certainly draw parallels with what the government are doing. The all encompassing 'anti-terror' laws spring to mind.

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Banning and outlawing things just because a certain minority "believes" it to be casuing harm will do no more

• than drive it underground
• Make it harder to "police"
• Make a small number of people very rich and then give them the ability to influence the political and social circles who feel above the law and can afford to flout it

An excellent example of this is the prohibition era in America and all that it gave them - Organised crime, social inequality and corruption to the heart of the society. If you want that then ban it. Otherwise come up with a more sensible and measured way of tackling it and dealing with its "influence".
Be a grown up not a nanny!

Rant over for today!!

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Someone was bound to say it, I just assumed it'd be Soulkiss :D

The vagueness of the law is a worry... Who defines violence or extremity? Is a smack on the bottom violent or extreme? For some people it would be, for others it'd be incredibly tame. Who decides? Hair pulling? Same. Breathplay? Waxplay? Getting trickier. As ever it's a sliding scale, but any law that's this bad about definitions is wide open for abuse. (so to speak)

And as someone else pointed out, they're talking about making it illegal to possess images of perfectly legal acts. That's obviously insane.

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so what they going to ban next....making babies?

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From what little porn I've watched, they always seem to be in the wrong area or stop short of finishing the act in anywhere that might end up in a pregnancy.

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I must get a copy of your firefox bookmarks and/or your browser history........

:)

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A bit of topic but Gordon was on about this "new" "fatal" type of weed called skunk today which should be banned because its destroying society........I think the prime minster should have a little more to worry about than porn and weed from looking at the current issues facing the country.

Although I have backed labour for ages it seems there time is up, brown isnt a leader and the current policies seem more about grabbing headlines that sorting anything out on a long term basis

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More like grabbing power IMO

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I'd rather do it than watch it anyway, will they ban us from having extreme sex?
I do hope so, that last visit to the A&E with the beer bottle was quite embarrassing...

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http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comi...o-her-GASP.png

Now illegal... I'm sure they'll be locking me up soon...