car done a U-turn in front of me
 

the traffic was at a stanstill for about a mile, so i filter past alot of it , pulling in when somthing is comming the other way, if theres not enough room, i must have passed at least 70 cars, when one decides to do a U-turn in front of me, i almost stopped in time but not quite.

the guy said sorry, and he had been stuck there ages, and did not see me,

it looks like its snapped the light bracket, and thats about it,

we swapped details.

i was just wondering if i was ok to filter, it was single white lines, and he did not indicate

i was doing 10-15 mph in 1st gear, with lights on

:smt013

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Hmm rather a grey area on that mate, I think you are ok to do it at the speed you did it with standstill traffic though. With it been solid whites though I'm not sure. Are you okay?

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Hope your ok dude!

Legallity of filtering is a funny old game IIRC, i'm sure someone will be along to confirm though

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im ok, and did not come off,

theres very little damage (as far as i can tell) as i said the lights been pushed back, and a bracket has snapped.

the guy appologised a few times,

i have all the hassle of sorting insurance out now,


i remember somthing simerler happening to zombie jesus

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Did he admit it was his fault, and do you have a witness ? did ye call the old bill ?

Could get nasty, but take him to the cleaners, he wont do it again in a rush ... imo, that could be the irish opinion comming out there also...

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he admited fault, there was loads of cars about, but none stoped, police were not called

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It's his fault. You are perfectly within your rights to make progress through stationary traffic. If he's made a manouver without doing appropriate checks and a clear signal to other road users then he is at fault.

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Best to try and get a quote and bring it to him, go out side the insurance, i doubt it's any diff with you folks than it is here, but if you have an accident you must report it to the old bill, and witnesses are always handy to say he done it.

Good to hear your ok of course mate, plastic can be repaired as always

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Unlucky mate, at least you didn't come off.

It could have been worse, I was 4 cars away from one this morning that could have had me right off, and in front of oncoming traffic:

Filtering as you were, along a road with double solids, but not crossing the solids to filter, I was, the road's fairly wide in places. Where its not I pull back in. Then the double solids turn to single broken lines, normal rules apply. A car 4-5 or so in front then chose to overtake (filter) the car in front, mainly because it had not pulled right up to the next car in front, it just rolled down the hill out of gear slowly (there were another 15-20 cars before the roundabout causing the queue, so there was no hurry really, this was just impatience).

Had I been there (in front) instead of further back I'd have been easily sideswiped (she didn't check, I saw that much), knocked off to the righthand side with the bike on top of me, and traffic coming at me round a corner at about 30mph.

From what you say it sounds like it wasn't your fault, but I wasn't there.

Good luck getting it sorted, its a right pain the ****



My instructor always taught me to imagine that all car drivers are out to kill you. Think like that and you won't go far wrong.

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I think you are fine even on solids. Its something like you can overtake if the traffic is moving at less than 10mph. Still can be dodgy though.

Seriously people need to be more aware of bikers!!! Grr.

Glad you are ok, GL with it all! :)

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Filtering is a high risk manover as such you would be lucky for it go 100% in your favour however he did admit which is good.

Did you take any pictures at the scence?

Do you have any indpedant witness?

The above well, help I may look into a bit more however you will have to wait as I'm far too tried after work.

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he admited fault, and apolosigesed (although he may denie this) he seemed like an honsest guy,

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If the traffic was stationary or going at a speed <10mph (iirc) you are allowed to cross solid lined to overtake. If he has admitted liability I'd just ask him to settle without going to insurers. If you may remember, exactly the same thing happend to me last year though mine was in a no u-turn signposted area and snapped a gear lever.

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what happens now, as last time i had to take the bike for an estimate (20 miles away) which is a pain,

i think the forks may have taken a knock? i was only 3 miles from home, so did not notice anything, but was only doing 20-30mph

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That relates to slow moving vehicles such as bicycles, tractors etc, not a stationary queue. You can still filter though as long as you don't cross the line.

However, Hovis said SINGLE line, not solid so I'm guessing it was broken. In which case it's perfectly ok and the fault lies with the driver who hasn't checked that it's safe to carry out the manoeuvre.

Good luck sorting it out Hovis.

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It shows mate ;)

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I disagree. I dont think this is right at all...... here's why:

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Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.

So, I read this as 2 mini-rules:

1) No crossing a solid line unless you are passing a stationary (i.e NOT MOVING AT ALL) vehicle. Even if its doing 3 mph you can't filter past it on the opposite side of the road if theres a solid line on your side. Expect prosecution.

2) No crossing a solid line unless you are overtaking a cycle, horse or maintenance vehicle IF THAT VEHICLE OR HORSE IS DOING <10mph. So you can't overtake a horse thats doing 30, say, even if you can smell its bum.

I know this has been done to death multiple times over the years but to me the rules are clear.

a) you can cross the white line by all means if its safe AND the traffic (queue) has STOPPED

b) you can cross the white line to overtake a road sweeper/gritter, horse or cycle thats going <10mph

otherwise stay put.

If you can get past without crossing the line do so, if not, again stay put.

You're not allowed to overtake anything you fancy a go at and cross the white line, even if its safe, it has to be a horse, cyclist, road maintenance vehicle or "stopped".

There. I feel better now.

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Question related to the legality of filtering, apologies if this has been done to death elsewhere but have you seen the number of hits you get back when searching for filtering!?!

Dual carriageway, stationery or very slow moving traffic (around 10-15mph), if I'm filtering in between them, am I technically 'undertaking' the vehicles on my right and therefore passing illegally (or at least not in line with the Highway Code)?

I arrived next to a police car at the lights this morning (on the inside lane) after filtering for about 1/2mile and neither of the occupants appeared happy/impressed to see me sat next to them :)

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i have just phoned the guy, and hes already conacted his insurers, they have said its his fault, and hes admited it,

hopfuly this will NOT effect my NCB

not sure what to do with the bike, as if i take it for estimate i will be stuck there unless they offer courtasy bike?

this all may sould stupid, but i have not been through this before.

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Have you made an appointment with your GP yet to look at your 'stiff' neck? :smt077

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no, i have a little bump on the arm, but im ok. i dont want to play on it


i have a ?500 exces ther damage should be less than this,

do i have to pay 500, and will i get it back?

:smt100

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You could just go and see the bloke and offer him the option to fix your damages to save you both the hassle, if your definately sure that is all that is up...

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Sorry to hear this Hovis. Glad you're not injured and bike is relatively ok.

As for the insurance, be prepared to fight. I had an off September last year, car did same thing only it took me right out causing ?2'500 worth of damage to bike and giving me concussion and sore back. Driver said "sorry" at scene but insurers then tried to pin blame on me. I was doing 10-15mph without any solids anywhere but still I have no cheque and am having to put it down as a fault (for now). :mad: Filtering accidents very rarely go 100% either way apparently. Good luck with your claim though, hope it goes smoothly.

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Sorry to hear this mate... hope you're okay.

Here's something that we've had kicking around for sometime, I believe its hosted by a few of us, but here's mine: Filtering and the Highway Code - everyone should be expecting it as part of their responsibility as a road user.

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I'd be inclined to get £200 off him to cover the cost/hassle of having it replaced with OE parts and forget about it. Get the money in cash, sharpish (if he drags his feet and you end up going through insurance weeks later they'll want to know why you didn't report it sooner) and then forget about it.

Did the guy edge out v. slowly and just not see you/get unlucky or did he pull out quickly without any real attempt to look? If the former, I'd consider the £200 and the scare punishment enough.

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It's his fault, so your no claims and excess shouldn't be affected. If you're fully comp I believe the procedure is to get your bike fixed, you pay the excess and his insurance repays you. If not, his insurance may well offer to repair the damages themselves meaning you can avoid any out of pocket expenses. In any case, if it's his fault you should get a courtesy bike paid for by; you've guessed it, his insurance.

HTH

SVRacer: Chris, in the described incident Hovis was simply overtaking a car that then pulled a U turn without signaling or looking. Filtering is perfectly legal in the described case (when undertaking vehicles to your right it is slightly dodgier, but you are allowed to pass vehicles on your right in "slow moving" traffic: IE a queue, therefore filtering in slow moving traffic is OK. Passing between 2 cars that are doing 35 in a 40 would probably be frowned upon!)

Feel free to check with colleagues, but I'm damn sure that's the case legally.

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cheers all.......... i did phone to offer if he wanted to settle, but he had already phoned his insurance, and it looked like a works car.

he said his insurers said it was his fault, which he admited, i just hope he does not change his mind.

he seemed like a nice guy, and i was ok with him, told him i was not hurt, and it could have been worse,

i just hope it all runs smoothly, and quickly

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I didn't recall that rule by memory. Just my opinion but someone overtaking a camel, a vehicle on tow going up a hill, or overtake a slowly moving <5mph vehicle when the next vehicle in front is stationary would all be permissible under a common sense interpretation of the highway code.

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http://www.motorcycle-training.f2s.com/filtering.html and another link http://www.motorbikestoday.com/news/...tering_law.htm

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What he said. But as to him admitting it was his fault. It means nothing. Seems clear cut to me though. Don't fret until you have to.

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IIRC the excess thing, you will have to pay for it and then claim it back from his insurance company. or your insurers will on your behalf. Also I think some companies let you have a few non fault claims for fre so to speak. Some dont as its Claim bonus not Blame bonus. Check with your insurers where you stand on that part.

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Sorry to hear bout this matey. Not good. Hope you get it sorted in a freindly way.

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Alright m8. Sorry to hear about your mishap :(

If I understand this right you were passing a line of stationary/slow moving traffic on a 2-way/2-lane carriageway? If so then filtering doesnt come into it!

Sounds as though you were entitled to overtake and were doing it safely (moving over when traffic approached in opposite direction/at safe speed etc). The car driver should have checked his mirrors and signalled before he changed lanes/performed u-turn - he obviously didnt check his morrors otherwise he would have seen you.

Sounds as though you were driving in accordance with the Highway Code (assuming broken white line), but the car driver wasnt, so you should be in the clear ;)

Get the bike looked at by a dealer/repairer to find out whats damaged and get them to prepare an estimate so you know what costs are involved.

Find out who the other guys Insurers are, they will need to see the repair estimate before they can authorise repairs. If the forks are damaged then they will probably need to inspect the bike, if its just the bracket the costs shouldnt be big and they may just send you a cheque to get repairs done. You will need to pester them all the time if you want this sorting quick!

Also, you only have to pay the excess if you claim on your own insurance. You will only be able to claim on your own insurance if you are Comp and if the damage exceeds your excess.

Hope you get this sorted quick, youve only got three weeks :rolleyes:

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Pretty much same thing happened to me, except i went down the side of the car, then ate tarmac. Snapped brake lever and footpeg and nailed the fairing, R&G, exhaust.

Fortunately there was a copper in the car immediately in front who got out and dealt with it.

Went 100% in my favour and the driver's insurance paid for everything. I've just got my bike back 2 months later - better condition than before i crashed.

I think you have to see what you can learn from it... go slower? Go further onto the other side of the road to give yourself a better safety margin? Wear a high-viz (no good if they don't look)?

The thing is the random nature, its really hard to predict someone else's snap decision and sudden action, which amounts to an apparently random action.

ETA: Hope you get it sorted quickly... I'd never experienced stress before and now have a new appreciation of what anxiety means!

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Had the same happen to me about 15 years ago. It got classed as a 50/50, but the insurance paid out :)

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I know you've said it's just your opinion so I'm not arguing per se, but this is one occasion where we have to look at the exact wording, etc, as that's what a case would be based on in court.

I actually also interpret it as ooger does, however there is one thing that's not been mentioned yet and I also don't know the answer to.

The highway code says you may pass if necessary and as yet it hasn't been determined if filtering is necessary (or at least, I have not seen such a judgement in a court). If it was a broken down car, I would be confident that would be judged necessary, however a line of cars that are in working order and simply queuing? Harder to argue IMO, but again I have not seen any case law/judgements.

In any case I haven't seen Hovis confirm if it was a broken line or not, and it doesn't sound like there is much of an issue at this point luckily.

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soz to here about this mate.Give me a bell and we can chat.Just been through this with my van.
Rick

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cheers



been thinking about this in work, im a tad p1$$ed off with it, but there was nothing i could have done excapt maybe not filter.

but it turns out that there was a big accident on the road after the one i was on (2 people died) and this road was closed which caused the que, its about 2 miles long and i filtered all the way from the start, to about 100 yards from the end, where the police had blocked the roundabout off

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amazed this thread has got this far and nobody has mentioned Davis vs. Schrogin - situation is identical to your hovis and the car driver was found to be 100% at fault, if his insurers try anything funny point them in the direction of that case and say you'll see them in court...

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I'm not sure if I'm remembering the correct case, but in addition wasn't the biker going a tad on the fast side? It was decided that it wasn't a factor though. Just makes a good line for the court "even when he was going this much faster, it has still been proven to be the fault of the vehicle pulling out".