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Dappa D 25-07-08 01:17 PM

Oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
just a quick one...been reading old threads on here about wheelies and oil starvation...

now i know its not big and it aint clever (unless u can do them !! ha!!)

but i want to learn to wheelie on my 2000 sv curvy and have read about oil starvation problems....is this only if ur doing like 2 miles witht the front up or does this happen pretty much str8 away??

all advic welcome thanks

Dappa D

Durbs 25-07-08 01:21 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
From what i've heard its only if you are doing wheelies over a fair distance. Popping the odd normal one like for 30 yards after the lights isnt going to break owt.

Dappa D 25-07-08 01:24 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
cool yea thats what im after....

felt like a plonker the other day after racing...sorry..following at a reasonable distance a guy from bath to bristol he had a pillion...lovely bike too couldnt make out what it was...when i finally went a diff way too him and gave an appreciated nod to him and his oh so lovely pillion...he flew off down the road doing a wheelie...i was very impressed...would nebver let him know tho ha!!

Dappa D

dizzyblonde 25-07-08 01:43 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Don't bother, even with low oil, you may end up with cam bearing knackerisation!!
well it does happen, then you have to get a new front cylinder head...not a good thing..I know, And this is all without wheelying

but hey, I'm not a guy, so I feel no need for willy waving;-)

Dappa D 25-07-08 02:01 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
haha yea thats what it biols down too!!!...

i didnt say that..what i ment was i was impressed with the technical ability!!! :-)

G 25-07-08 02:32 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
I wish I could wheelie just for the challenge of learning how to do it lol

Watched allsorts of videos on youtube, but at the same time seen alsorts of videos with people cocking up and wrecking the bike and themselves.

I will no doubt learn one day, its nothing about willy waving, i think its a challenge and makes riding even more interesting than it already is, and it would give me the buzz I crave for without rediculous speed being involved.

Dangerous Dave 25-07-08 02:40 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Oil starvation is only an issue with long distance wheelies, the odd front end pop up would be ok.

I have heard of the Cam bearing issues, but I beleive it is rare going by the bikes I have worked on and there idiot owners.

Steering stem bearings tend to get a battering but this is with all bikes and is due to badly controlled landings, unfortunately it does take practice.

dizzyblonde 25-07-08 02:43 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave (Post 1578548)
I have heard of the Cam bearing issues, but I beleive it is rare going by the bikes I have worked on and there idiot owners.

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Sometimes its not an idiot owner issue:rolleyes:I'm not in that category...but it is rare, as I found out when I ordered a head gasket from Suzuki....
They actually thought I had popped tooo many wheelies....chance would be a fine thing:rolleyes:wouldn't know how even after careful tuition..lol

Dangerous Dave 25-07-08 02:47 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Sorry 'dizzy' I meant that I work on a lot of SV's with idiot owners who wheelie them to near death, as yet I have not seen a Cam bearing go on a wheelied bike.

muffles 25-07-08 02:49 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dappa D (Post 1578430)
just a quick one...been reading old threads on here about wheelies and oil starvation...

now i know its not big and it aint clever (unless u can do them !! ha!!)

but i want to learn to wheelie on my 2000 sv curvy and have read about oil starvation problems....is this only if ur doing like 2 miles witht the front up or does this happen pretty much str8 away??

all advic welcome thanks

Dappa D

:-k If that's you in the avatar I'm sure there'll be a few offers to help you out lol...

Dappa D 25-07-08 02:56 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
haha...was waiting for someone to say something!!!!!.....

so predictable ha!!!

is my mrs last weekend on the way bk from weston!!!!

back to the subject.....thanks for the inputs only wanna do lil ones been watching some vids on youtube got an abandoned aiport neer me gonna have a crak this weekend!!!

so might be some "oh nuts my bikes screwed" or " yea i cracked it!!!!" threads next week!!!

will let u know!

Dappa D

muffles 25-07-08 03:19 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Ah...err...yeah - I meant the bike....that's it, with a bike that nice I'm sure someone will be keen to help you out....phew, close call that one! :)

yorkie_chris 25-07-08 04:09 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Make sure it's got plenty in it, and don't do stand-ups for 5 miles at a time.

sv-robo 25-07-08 06:28 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by G (Post 1578540)
I wish I could wheelie just for the challenge of learning how to do it lol

Watched allsorts of videos on youtube, but at the same time seen alsorts of videos with people cocking up and wrecking the bike and themselves.

I will no doubt learn one day, its nothing about willy waving, i think its a challenge and makes riding even more interesting than it already is, and it would give me the buzz I crave for without rediculous speed being involved.

GSXR600..if i,m not mistaken??...take the bike in 2nd up to around 55mph 7kish revs,slip clutch to around 12k whilst at the same time giving a blip of the throttle.....front end up no probs(works for me) & with a bit of practice you should be able to ride the gear out.

yorkie_chris 25-07-08 06:46 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
For a start just get used to setting off very aggressively, it'll get you used to the front end going light.

Stig 25-07-08 07:11 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
and here we go again. :lol:

sv650nutter149 25-07-08 10:42 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
dont wheelie sv's they go kaboom like mine did fathers day 2007 :'(

G 25-07-08 11:19 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sv-robo (Post 1578755)
GSXR600..if i,m not mistaken??...

Nope same bike as you :D

I tried that technique, doesnt feel right lol, I will keep trying and report back when I trash my bike

Dappa D 28-07-08 08:36 AM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigApe (Post 1578791)
and here we go again. :lol:

Sorry!!..I purposely tried to make this not a how do i do a wheelie thread just wanted to know about the oil starvation thing! lol...

anywhoo.....had just under an hour to mess about at the weekend....got the hang of rollin on throttle and gettin the front up just to get used to the one wheel handling....small steps and all that....will be slippin the clutch and trying properly next weekend!! thanks for ya help!

Dappa D:cool:

Dangerous Dave 28-07-08 05:08 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dappa D (Post 1579847)
small steps and all that....

Best way to do it.

Davido 28-07-08 09:22 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
You don't slip the clutch, you drop it.

scottjames 28-07-08 09:24 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
i can get little ones off the lights. you know 1st gear small ones but i have no idea how you would do little faster ones, my 33bhp wouldnt pull one in second would it? :cool:

Stig 29-07-08 07:09 AM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Davido (Post 1580682)
You don't slip the clutch, you drop it.

Not literally obviously. :lol:

Red Herring 30-07-08 07:28 AM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Perhaps a naked is a little lighter at the front but i don't need to touch the clutch, just a crack on the throttle in first once rolling is enough, and then get it into second as soon as you get to about 9k, otherwise you hit the rev limiter bloody hard!

Durbs 30-07-08 07:36 AM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Herring (Post 1581832)
Perhaps a naked is a little lighter at the front but i don't need to touch the clutch, just a crack on the throttle in first once rolling is enough, and then get it into second as soon as you get to about 9k, otherwise you hit the rev limiter bloody hard!

Yeah, but thats a power wheelie, you dont want to be doing them, you need to bang the clutch to get the wheel up into a proper controlled wheelie. Youtube wheelies for the difference. Tried it a few times and it works but each time the front end has come up very violently so i need to work out how to smooth it out and pop 'em at low speed.

riktherider 30-07-08 07:37 AM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
1st gear roll ons are made easier (espicially on the curvy sv, not sure about the pointy) if you disconnect the retardation in 1st and second gear. cant remember what wires it is, but it basically helps prevent wheelies. someone will be around who knows a bit more

yorkie_chris 30-07-08 05:19 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Nah it doesn't really do anything, it's in 2nd and 3rd gear where it's (in)effective.

riktherider 30-07-08 06:03 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
i noticed some change when i disconnected it. it works on the bandit 1200 too. quite noticably too.

Dangerous Dave 30-07-08 07:21 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by riktherider (Post 1581849)
1st gear roll ons are made easier if you disconnect the retardation

Oh... no... not this again...

People, please read the facts before passing on useless information to other less experienced SV-er's! The SV650 is very lightly retarded, don't believe what you read in the adverts for these products or methods of bypassing it as it isn't aimed at the SV650. The products were designed to work on bikes which are more retarded, just because the SV650 is listed in the product list people instantly think the blurb applies to the SV.

This argument has been argued so many times and facts/testing still prove one thing, it doesn't offer any performance gain on an SV650!

riktherider 30-07-08 07:52 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
im not on about that little gismo which you can buy which plugs in to the ecu. just disconnecting a wire did the trick, admitidly on the sv it didnt make a huge difference, but still no need of having, so of it goes!

Dangerous Dave 31-07-08 11:41 AM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by riktherider (Post 1582662)
im not on about that little gismo which you can buy which plugs in to the ecu. just disconnecting a wire did the trick!

It does the same thing, still makes the statement I made earlier relevant in that it offers no performance increase!

Jase22 31-07-08 12:03 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Someone should really look at fabricating some kind of sump mod, problem solved.

I'm not that ar$ed personally, mainly I guess cos I can't wheelie, but it doesn't really float my boat. I can still appreciate a good wheelie though as it does look pretty cool, but in the right circumstances ie not in traffic on public roads. Bikers can get enough grief just riding normally.

Dangerous Dave 31-07-08 04:52 PM

Re: oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jase22 (Post 1583167)
Bikers can get enough grief just riding normally.

+ 1

Ceri JC 01-08-08 10:18 AM

Re: Oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
I can't imagine popping poor, tiny wheelies (see my avatar)- which is all you'd be doing as a n00b- does much harm to the engine. The bike is more "up in the air" (in relation to gravity) going up a steep hill than when the front is only up 2 foot. I can see that if you're some stunt master who rides two miles with the bike up at 12 o'clock you're going to have a problem, but in the context of a "I just fancy giving wheelieing a go and want to know if the engine is going to burst into flames the second the front wheel leaves the ground", which is what the inital post says to me, I'd say there's nothing to worry about.

None of the above is BASAT and is just based on my own experiences of not getting engine trouble after popping a few small wheelies every now and then (in a deserted car park, seriously).

Stig 01-08-08 01:00 PM

Re: Oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceri JC (Post 1583892)
None of the above is BASAT and is just based on my own experiences of not getting engine trouble after popping a few small wheelies every now and then (in a deserted car park, seriously).

I've been known to have the front wheel a bit light on more than a few occasions. Bike is now on 60k with no repairs needed to the engine and it's still going strong. Longest wheelie I've done is probably a couple of hundred meters. Short and sweet. :wink:

Dappa D 01-08-08 01:34 PM

Re: Oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
cool thanks all for input.....had a little go at droppin the clutch ( not on public road) last night and think this is gonna take a bit of practice!!

and dont panick....i wont be giving us more of a bad name once mastered....just wanna do it now and then when it fits!!!

lets get poppin!

Dappa D

joshmac 01-08-08 05:06 PM

Re: Oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Make sure you've got some crash bungs though :D

The best way to learn is on a motocross bike or something similar in a field, so IF you mess it up it doesnt hurt you or the bike

Have fun :thumright:

yorkie_chris 01-08-08 05:14 PM

Re: Oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joshmac (Post 1584193)
Make sure you've got some crash bungs though :D

The best way to learn is on a motocross bike or something similar in a field, so WHEN you mess it up it doesnt hurt you or the bike

Have fun :thumright:

HTH

Stig 01-08-08 05:17 PM

Re: Oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 1584198)
HTH

Funny but true. :lol:

joshmac 01-08-08 05:20 PM

Re: Oil starvation when wheelie - ing?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 1584198)
HTH

Haha
Yeah OK you're right....wasn't sure if it was just me when I was trying back when I had my mx bike

Just make sure no-one's watching unless you're wearing a helmet with a very dark visor :cool: :oops:


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