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Oooh again it's on and I know the Sgt on TV woo hoo its Tonks LOL

My patch on TV again.

:smt026

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channel?

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Unless you're watching via Virgin, who are convinced that its South Yorkshire. :o

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bbc1

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i dont believe they just nicked that chinese guy again lol

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He he he I don't know these guys but I know the Sgt TONKS LOL, this is the shift with the nice copper PC Giffiths from last week :) I am hoping he reappears :smt002

PC Griffiths can arrest me

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ohh u are a naughty girl shell lol

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I know and he has had a message sent to him of late too LOL on my behalf ;) I am bad

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good luck to u girl and why not lol

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Oh he out of my league but worth a message ! Ya never know

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and why would he be out of your league dont put yourself down girl

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gotta be better than "beat the bailiff", wifes watching that old tosh again :(

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It reminds me of the work I am missing, only watch it if I know them, worth a giggle and a leg pull at a later date LOL

It is tosh I agree

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watched it.. very sad..

I was amazed that he was charged for dangerouse driving, not just due care and attention ...

Still concellation to the friends and famillies I guess...

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I don't like fatals, they make me very sad. Affect me loads when I get home but nor on the job, weird.

I wanted to be a Family Liason Officer as it's a wortwhile job but I get tearful at the slightest things and I don't think the copper who is meant to be support is any good blubbering. :)

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I watched that last night. I felt quite sorry for that poor lorry driver. Very sad.

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It just angered me that that if you are drunk you get a fine and ban, yet he was within his hours (that we know) not drunk, experianced NO previous traffic offences, lorry was ok... He just didnt see (look) for the lights...

they made a big thing about him not remebering what happened just before the accident, maybe thats because he was distracted, or maybe its because he was just ina horiffic accident and the brain tends not to remember these things?

who knows.... I just hope he can now sleep at night..

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He obviously signed a release to show his image.
The 3rd guy to die was blanked out as he obviously did not sign a release.
4 years in jail for doing your job (a bit badly) :shock: yes the consequences were awful, but it could have been from just a momentary lapse in concentration. What good will it serve to have him in jail for 4 years? not totally saying it's not right, just frightening.

And I'm glad I don't drive around in one of those dangerous car things very much, they're just so vulnerable, they should be banned.

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I was very suprised he got 4 years.
I don't know how I would react if it were one of my relatives but I would hope I was able to forgive the lorry driver and ask that he didn't face a jail sentence but its the police not relatives that prosecute.
I think the relatives of the deceased had come to terms with the fact that the lorry driver didn't intentionally set out to kill people and maybe pitied him a bit.
Unfortunately it is easy to prosecute people like the lorry driver but when the police raid drug dens and find drug parafinailia, drugs and weapons but the person they are after don't have it in their hands when the police get in they cant pin anything severe enough to warrant a jail sentence to the person.

I was stunned that the lorry driver got 4 years but after on channel 5 there was a programme about Jails in America and a 19 year old kid who had never been in trouble in his life threatened someone with a knife after being sacked from his job. He got 15 years.

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I was too. There was a case of a car driver that caused an accident after he swerved the car whilst reaching for a sweet. The accident resulted in a death and the driver faced a jail sentence but was spared because the family didn't want another life ruined due to the accident.

I think the lorry driver case was a lot different to that of the football player that was given 7 years for killing those two children as he sped to intercept his girlfried that he had heard was being unfaithful.

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This is a common misconception, it's the police that simply gather the evidence and present it to the CPS. It's the CPS who decide on the charging decision and they select the appropriate charge according to the facts they have been given.

Then its down to the court to impose the fine/sentence.

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That's lies told by a very good barrister. I know his girlfriend very well and she is not the cheating type so he killed two kids because he was pi$$ed up and driving like a knob to get back for training or some other trivial matter.

7 years is a long time but not when you consider he killed 2 kids with his irresponsible and ridiculous behaviour.

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Glad to see the org is not overun by the usual baying mob mentality all too common in these cases.Im referring to the lorry driver who got four years for causing the accident that killed three people.I thought four years was way excessive too,especially given his unblemished record,and the fact that they found no faults with his wagon or his hours.What he did was make a mistake which is something we all do because we are human.
Contrast that to the small truck which ran into the back of a car but was overloaded.So no one got hurt,but the "crime" was exactly the same,made worse by negligent overloading.Surely the punishment should fit the crime,not fit some lottery of consequences.

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Then we'd all get banged up for speeding instead of only banged up after cause death by speeding

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No-one in this country has ever been jailed for speeding, they were all convicted of Dangerous Driving on top of the speeding charge because they were stupid enough to plead guilty to it.

Simple solution, if you are ever charged with DD after a speeding offence, never ever plead guilty as that's the one that could put you inside. By all means accept the speeding charge, but Dangerous Driving is a no-no

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Lorry driver wasnt speeding.He just failed to notice the traffic jam and ran into the back of the other vehicle.This happens very often on the motorway and is by far the most common accident.Whether you get a fifty quid fine for "due care" or four years inside is entirely dependant on luck or the lack of it.To me that seems to be a lunatic way to run a justice system.
Similarly,if I tried to kill someone by pointing a loaded gun at their head and pulling the trigger I should be equally guilty of a crime whether I blew their head off or if the gun failed and didnt go off.The intent would be the same and for me thats the crime.

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I thought the punishment for attempted mudrder is similar to murder. Is it not?
I'm sure luck/a good Brief does come into it a lot. But isn't the new crimes of Causing Death by... an attempt to standardise sentences.

Surely you do accept that people should be responsible for their actions - whatever the consequences. Otherwise there woul be no such concept as manslaughter

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My dad was a lorry driver for 15 years or more.. the pressure he was under as a Haulier was rediculous, he took his responsibility so seriously as do most lorry drivers, to make a "mistake" as very serious as it was and to be punished so seriously just doesnt make sense...
Given the information we know I feel sorry for him, but maybe theres is stuff we dont know...

still condolances to the families....

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I do indeed agree that people should be responsible for their actions,and I dont think the lorry driver should have got away scot free,just that giving him four years was a bit of gratuitous revenge that the justice system should rise above.Because it is such an extreme case,and high profile,it wont be a deterrant to others either.Maybe if they nicked a few hundred tailgaters and sent them all to prison for a week it would have much more effect,because it would be relevant to huge numbers of others who drive dangerously like that every day.

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And maybe for a court to decide whether the person is guilty or not too ;-)

It's important to know as much as you can about the "justice" system IMO. To avoid falling foul of it for something trivial, or worse for self defence.

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I do agree with you, but I can't get away from the fact that, if no harm is done, then who is to say it was dangerous? (the tailgating, or the high speed filtering :-dd)