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Crash summary - advice needed
Hi all,
Unfortunately I've been involved in a crash, I'm more or less ok (more in Aberdeen banter), bike isn't too bad either. What happened? Came off at a corner at 50-60mph landed in a hedge or something. Damage is relatively minor, all leavers, pegs unharmed (more luck than brains), just came back from the recovery company saw the bike: - indicator lens (front rhs), - screen, - I'd say the front lights stick out a bit more than they should, - brake fluid reservoir broken off, but still holding fluid, The worst one I think is the oil leak, can't say where it's from, but I'm surprised because the lowers are still on and ok (a few scratches maybe). Any idea what's going on? I've organised some transport for the bike, so I can put it in the lock up and replace the screen, try to deal with the oil leak. or maybe you'd advise me to leave it and let the insurance deal with everything? What do you think? Cheers |
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You may find that the oil leak is something as simple as a breather pipe that's come off, rather than anything broken. Especially if there doesn't seem to be any sign of damage.
That's what I'd be looking for first anyway, you might be able to fix the leak for free. |
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Bugger. It's that time of year when org is renamed the upside down riding club again isn't it.
First thing IMO is to get the plastic off and inspect headlight and front subframe for damage. The oil leak will probably prove to be something and nothing but you need a look at it. Which side hit the deck, and are the casings marked at all? |
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Will do that.
Spoke to the insurance company, they are ok with me fixing the bike on my own and if that doesn't work, claiming on the repair. Anyway, thanks for replying, keep 'em coming, I'll be off to pick the bike up in a few minutes. |
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Yeah far better not to claim. In most cases I think people could buy another bike for less than the screwing over they'll get for excess and the next 5 years premiums
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Ok, bike's "home".
Turns out there are 2 new issues: 1) cracked mudguard 2) Bike not starting - battery is ok, when I press the starter button, there's a "clunk" sounds like from under the seat and the thing resets (odo meter + the fuel light routine, just like when turning the key.) Some pics before the camera died. http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/2...ture001xa8.jpg http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6562/picture002ij9.jpg http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5...ture003cd2.jpg Small scratches on the bottom of the fairing http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6...ture004wk9.jpg Bike's been on it's side for a few minutes until Baz and Adg53dd dragged it out of the ditch. http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/704/picture006sz0.jpg Ignore, the Stebel. The cr@p in the front sprocket region is from the scottoil, me thinks. http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/1436/picture007tm3.jpg The oil from the engine has been cleaned now, the idea is to put oil in, check if it's leaking (where from), but what about the starting issue? |
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Remove plugs, turn back wheel and see if the engine actually turns.
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give the starter motor a hit with a hammer, if not try putting a battery with positive and negative to the starter motor and see if it fires up perhaps removing it from the bike to do so incase it is engine damage. easiest way to start i would say
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generally the starter motor does the restart thing if it is having trouble getting it to go as it draws too much power. My thinking is starter motor :)
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If the bike has been on its side there will be oil in the bores which may cause the starting problem but i'm not entirely sure on the best way to fix it.
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Spinning motor with the plugs out via the back wheel will clear that. Doing it the same, but with the starter motor will do that, but all over the roof.
IMO check for mechanical damage first, then worry about electrics. |
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so...
got both plugs out, gears initially didn't want to pop in. Whilst under the tank, I've taken the air filter out - there's oil in the airbox :/ I've pressed the starter button accidentally, didn't go as bad as YC said :) Once the gear started working I went to 4th (or higher) I think. Back wheel moved, but with much resistance. The front cylinder spat oil out. All of that was accompanied by what can be described as a mechanic scraping sound :?:smt013 |
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OK all understandable so far, the scraping not so good though, can you tell where it's coming from? What happens when cranking it on starter?
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glad your up and about mate if i can help you know how to get in touch. keep us posted on progress
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The starter was on only a second or so. The front cylinder spat a bit of oil out, wasn't sure if that's safe and didn't repeat it.
The "scrapig", how to describe it... hard to tell... I'll go to the lock up with a friend so he can operate the wheel, I'll try to locate where it's coming from. |
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so...
please note that I've hit my head a week ago and I might be imagining things... This time my mate turned the back wheel, you could hear the cylinders pumping. Still some resistance (no idea how a 650 should turn), but no unwanted noises whatsoever. So what you'd reckon the next step should be? I'm thinking: clean airbox, pour new oil, fit spark plugs, check for leaks, and... try to start it? What do you think? |
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i would do that
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yeah I've heard starter motors are a bad'n on sv's
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maybe tht first scrap was a dry bit where the bike has been on its side????
glad your ok, looks like you were very lucky not to do more damage. hope your bk on soon. |
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Airbox naturally gets oil mist, just tip out any that's properly sloshing about |
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not good :(
Done the above, tried to start it... The starter is trying to spin but it "coughs" once, sometimes twice then resets. I've found a charger in the lock up, says battery is full, and I never had any problems with it (tried with the charger on, same thing). I've taken the starter off, spins ok. Help :confused: |
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Did it stink of fuel? Has it filled crankcase full of petrol?
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Maybe I've described it wrong.
The coughing sound isn't the engine trying to fire up. It's more like the starter managing to turn the engine a bit, but there isn't any sign of it starting. Quote:
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Sniff the filler hole, if it properly reeks of fuel then that's not good. Also check the oil level, if it's an inch higher than it was the other day then you may have this problem.
Also try jump start it off another battery, or charge yours up, as a slightly low battery could easily cause this. |
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I've tried starting it with the charger attached, didn't help.
It lost quite a bit of oil at the recovery station (well below the "low" mark, even when leaned) so I've topped it up. I'll try leaving it charging for a while in the morning, check if the filler hole smell of petrol. Will post tomorrow. Thanks |
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good luck mate
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OK if it was well below low mark then it's unlikely to be hydraulic locked from fuel.
Start should spin it ok with a charge in battery. |
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On my way the the lock up, battery has been charging for 3h, if it doesn't start, I'm pushing it of a cliff :/
How stupid would be the idea to try to push start it? (lock up is on a steep'ish bit of road so little effort reqired). |
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Lol watch it not start and you have to push it back up... Sorry :-P
Worth a go, if motor turns over alright via the back wheel then it's obviously not siezed up. |
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Ok, it went...
Good news: - It's alive! I expected to have to keep it on the starter for a while, but up fired up pretty quickly. Yes, yesterday it looked like a flat battery, but it never had any problems (even after starting after sitting in the lock up for 2 weeks last winter) and didn't understand it. Bad news, unfortunately: - started on 1 cylinder (rear), front didn't kick in, I've taken the spark plug out, it was covered in oil. Cleaned, refitted - same thing. - Huge puff's of smoke from the exhaust at the first start. Didn't smoke so much after I've cleaned the 1st plug. - this one's scary - there's oil in the exhaust :confused:. http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9840/22102008mt7.jpg Picture is rubbish (mobile), there's a bit of it "on" the baffle, also when I've started working on the 1st spark plug, the oil started flowing out of the can and slowly flowing on the bottom of the link pipe. :confused: Can't really tell (yet) if it's the old oil, or if it's using the topped up one. :hackedoff: |
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What's happened is the bike being on its side has leaked oil into the airbox, from there into the inlets and cylinders.
It's a bit of a git. The way I've done it in the past is to crank it with the plug out (coil connections removed), then to just keep trying to fire it up, you can warm plugs up to vaporise oil fouling or just wipe them off. After a while the fuel vapor will thin the oil enough to spit it out of the exhaust. Clouds of smoke are fairly normal. |
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So you're saying, it's more or less normal?
Ok, I'll be needing step by step instructions here: - I should take the 1st plug out, fire it up (don't know why but the idea of starting the bike with 1 plug missing sounds scary to me). - clean 1st plug/refit - fire up? One other thing, how can I check if the plug actually sparks? Put it against the frame, and press the starter, right? |
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Yeah that's pretty much how you check for spark. You don't want to start it with one plug out, just crank it, it should spit the excess oil out at least enough for it to fire up, as soon as it fires on that pot it'll burn the oil off.
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In short,
1)check if plug sparks 2)take cap of 2nd plug and "start" it (with the 1st plug out). 3)fit 1st plug and both caps and start. |
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No don't crank a motor without plug caps on, either earth the plugs somewhere away from the plughole or disconnect the coils.
You don't want high voltage jolt from the coils with nowhere to go as it can do damage on some systems. |
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Sorry for so many noob questions, but I my spannering skills are (were) limited to changing oil and plugs.
Got a Hayens, so I think I know what you mean by "disconnecting the coils" (the two thinner wires going into the coil - hayens picture). ok, off to the lock up in 10 min, suddenly a internet connection in your garage doesn't sound silly :) |
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In my crash (double back flip and a 180 to finish) all the oil in the engine completely leaked, I can't where it leaked from it seems to be out of the mid section of the bike (airbox was very oily). Is it possibly for a lot of oil to leak this way or is my engine bust?
Soz to hijack but i'm worried! |
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Yes you can lose almost all the oil out of the engine breather into the airbox if the bike is laid on its LHS. However do check for cracks to the sidecasings.
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Yes it did land on the lhs (eventually:smt012), that's took a load of my mind - hope it's right. thanks a lot chris P.s I've noticed you're following me :kiss: |
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