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Kinvig 19-11-08 12:48 PM

BNP Member List
 
http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/

Who's on it?

keithd 19-11-08 12:51 PM

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im on it

slark01 19-11-08 12:59 PM

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Hmmm, quite a few in my town.

Stingo 19-11-08 01:01 PM

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Whilst I do not support their views and methods they never the less have the right to privacy in this country as, presumably, they have not been found guilty of a crime. Murderers and the like currently 'doing time' do not have their addresses and phone numbers distributed for any old Tom. **** or Harry to access.

It's a bit outrageous IMHO.

SoulKiss 19-11-08 01:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stingo (Post 1690306)
Whilst I do not support their views and methods they never the less have the right to privacy in this country as, presumably, they have not been found guilty of a crime. Murderers and the like currently 'doing time' do not have their addresses and phone numbers distributed for any old Tom. **** or Harry to access.

It's a bit outrageous IMHO.

Actually, some of them have, if they are on the list and have certain jobs.......

Also if its the right of a parent to know is the guy next door is a paedophile, then surely its the right of a non-uk national/non-white person to know if their next door neighbour subscribes to a racist organisation ?

I loved the way that Nick Griffin was saying he was going to take the leak up with the police - I am sure that many of the people on the list would welcome the plod looking at it in any depth - not.

Stingo 19-11-08 01:08 PM

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We can all have reasons not to like people. It doesn't mean that we can go round to their house/phone them up in the middle of the night etc etc and beat seven shades out of them. It is not right. This information has been aimed at everyone, it should only be accessible to those that need to know.

I for one do not need to know.

timwilky 19-11-08 01:09 PM

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Publishing this is wrong. I do not support the BNP, but respect their right to keep their membership private.

How many are going to get the anti nazi nazis banging on their doors as a result of this list and how genuine is it. How do errors in the compilation get corrected.

What people do, say or think in private is up to themselves. If they want to discuss it in public, only then should they then have to justify their thoughts.

Paul the 6th 19-11-08 01:10 PM

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not gonna get involved in the ethics debate surrounding this, but I do wonder what the fonejacker would make of this list :D

Paul the 6th 19-11-08 01:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timwilky (Post 1690314)
How do errors in the compilation get corrected.

I must admit, I ran a search on the page to see if my details (or any friends details) were in there...

Grinch 19-11-08 01:11 PM

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I don't think the list should have been detailed, though the fact that serving police officers and other such people are on the list should be looked at.

Ed 19-11-08 01:13 PM

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A shocking breach of privacy. Next we'll have the Ann Summers client list published:smt120

G 19-11-08 01:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Grinch (Post 1690319)
I don't think the list should have been detailed, though the fact that serving police officers and other such people are on the list should be looked at.

Why? Its a genuine political party and people can vote for who they like!

They are basically telling you who you can vote for and who you cant. I would love to see the guy loosing his job.....so he could then sue the police for rediculous sums of money for unfair dismissal....and he would easily win, the police have no right just bringing in a policy like that.

If someone fought it in the European Court of Human Rights, the police would loose, and then be forced to pay huge sums of money.

the_lone_wolf 19-11-08 01:34 PM

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100 points for whoever finds out which entry is neio79's real name and address;)

DanAbnormal 19-11-08 01:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by G (Post 1690331)
Why? Its a genuine political party and people can vote for who they like!

+1. I think people need to read up on BNP of today a little more.

Skip 19-11-08 01:37 PM

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Crazy that the list is still up there - did find someone I vaguely know on it too! :shock:

ArtyLady 19-11-08 01:43 PM

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Surely that is breaking the Data Protection Laws? Anyway I thought they were a bonafide Policital Party?

DanAbnormal 19-11-08 01:44 PM

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Perhaps the members feel they have nothing to hide?

More likely to be a huge c*ck up though!

Ed 19-11-08 02:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf (Post 1690333)
100 points for whoever finds out which entry is neio79's real name and address;)

He's not on it:rolleyes:

Baph 19-11-08 02:03 PM

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Not a very smart thing to do.

5mins in Google, and I found a post on lockergnome by the person offering the document in the OP of this thread. This post details the fact that they have kids, and have been setting up a home network.

I also found a name, and an email address. It wouldn't take too much research to narrow this down to an area, possibly an address.

People should think twice before hosting this sort of information. Heaven forbid someone that's taken offence to the list being posted find the information I have!

EDIT: I can also tell you that the person offering that list for public viewing, has Windows XP with various shares enabled, and a printer. They also have Remote Desktop enabled on a 10.x.x.x IP address, for which firewalking is possible. Their ISP is Tiscali (which is obvious from a simple lookup), so it probably won't be long before the list is removed.

I must admit, I'm very tempted to send something to their printer. But I sharn't.

600+ 19-11-08 02:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timwilky (Post 1690314)
Publishing this is wrong. I do not support the BNP, but respect their right to keep their membership private.

How many are going to get the anti nazi nazis banging on their doors as a result of this list and how genuine is it. How do errors in the compilation get corrected.

What people do, say or think in private is up to themselves. If they want to discuss it in public, only then should they then have to justify their thoughts.

Although I couldn't care less of who is on the list I am a bit worried of the real Nazis (as per the WW2 definition).......simply cause most of my family was turned to ashes by them!

For me parties like BNP should not exist!

G 19-11-08 02:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Baph (Post 1690359)
Not a very smart thing to do.

5mins in Google, and I found a post on lockergnome by the person offering the document in the OP of this thread. This post details the fact that they have kids, and have been setting up a home network.

I also found a name, and an email address. It wouldn't take too much research to narrow this down to an area, possibly an address.

People should think twice before hosting this sort of information. Heaven forbid someone that's taken offence to the list being posted find the information I have!

Who knows how much people would pay for the information that you have/can obtain......offer your services baph lol.

Baph 19-11-08 02:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by G (Post 1690365)
Who knows how much people would pay for the information that you have/can obtain......offer your services baph lol.

I know how much people have paid in the past. :)

However, in this case, it's very apparent that the person offering the website for public viewing has a family. I'm also mindful that the person offering the page to the public may not even be aware of the fact they are hosting the said document.

Lets face it, if you were going to knowingly host that information, you'd go to great lengths to not disclose anything about yourself you didn't HAVE to.

As I have the same opinion as others on the .Org (namely that the BNP have the right to privacy, despite any other opinions on them) I've forwarded the necessary information to Tiscali. They can deal with the information provided in the way they see fit. :)

Grinch 19-11-08 02:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by G (Post 1690331)
Why? Its a genuine political party and people can vote for who they like!

The BNP's polices do not agree with such public services as the police if you want fair and honest law-enforcement.
Even teaching as it could be argued that your child's teacher discriminates against your child because of colour/race, if they are know BNP supporters.

Ah the BNP, or Britsh Nazi Party... lovely people and so happy to call foul when things go against them, any yet so shady themselves.

timwilky 19-11-08 02:18 PM

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I apologies for the use of the nazi phrase in jest. however, the fact remains that group such as the old anti-nazi league etc set themselves up to violently oppose any organisation they viewed as facist. Specially the predecessors of the BNP such as the National Front etc.

However, given the dictatorial demands of such organisations. the polarised and violent opposition to any group that did not fit within their narrow definition of an acceptable political party leaves me with the view that there is little between them and the groups that they so vehemently opposed.

Pots and kettles etc.

Grinch 19-11-08 02:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Baph (Post 1690368)
As I have the same opinion as others on the .Org (namely that the BNP have the right to privacy, despite any other opinions on them) I've forwarded the necessary information to Tiscali. They can deal with the information provided in the way they see fit. :)

Nice, tis was the right thing to do...

Baph 19-11-08 02:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed (Post 1690321)
Next we'll have the Ann Summers client list published:smt120

Let's hope so eh? ;)

600+ 19-11-08 02:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timwilky (Post 1690372)
I apologies for the use of the nazi phrase in jest. however, the fact remains that group such as the old anti-nazi league etc set themselves up to violently oppose any organisation they viewed as facist. Specially the predecessors of the BNP such as the National Front etc.

However, given the dictatorial demands of such organisations. the polarised and violent opposition to any group that did not fit within their narrow definition of an acceptable political party leaves me with the view that there is little between them and the groups that they so vehemently opposed.

Pots and kettles etc.

I agree with you - things can be taken to the extreme from both sides

Baph 19-11-08 02:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Grinch (Post 1690376)
Nice, tis was the right thing to do...

As I said, the guy has a family.

Hopefuly Tiscali will pull their finger out pretty quickly, before someone with the same knowledge as me, plus a desire for revenge, learns about the list as well.

But alas, we are talking about Tiscali here.

yorkie_chris 19-11-08 02:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timwilky (Post 1690314)
Publishing this is wrong. I do not support the BNP, but respect their right to keep their membership private.

How many are going to get the anti nazi nazis banging on their doors as a result of this list and how genuine is it. How do errors in the compilation get corrected.

What people do, say or think in private is up to themselves. If they want to discuss it in public, only then should they then have to justify their thoughts.

Exactly. From my experience around here the anti-nazi lot are far more violent than any of the racist organisations.

This list should not be in the public domain as it's been released for simple reason of making peoples lives unpleasant.

If I was a BNP member I'd be pretty pi$$ed off, even more so if any "searchlight" types were around my house causing bother because of it.

ArtyLady 19-11-08 02:39 PM

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Baph how on earth do you know all this information? Im a total computer numpty - are you saying this person did not have a firewall? or was it that you could you tell all this information from the website he hosted it on? Sorry if I sound thick (probably cos I am!)

Baph 19-11-08 02:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtyLady (Post 1690405)
Baph how on earth do you know all this information? Im a total computer numpty - are you saying this person did not have a firewall? or was it that you could you tell all this information from the website he hosted it on? Sorry if I sound thick (probably cos I am!)

My instinct was to take this conversation to PM, but I see no real reason to...

The basis of the information comes from the site hosting the list. A hop skip & a jump from there reveals the person's home IP address (as you stated "numpty," think their personal address on the internet).

They do have a firewall, however, as I stated, firewalking is possible. This isn't the art of walking barefoot over hot embers. :lol: Firewalking in IT terms, is about seeing what's behind the firewall, and in most instances, accessing it despite the firewall being there.

Needless to say, but their firewall isn't exactly amazingly secure.

EDIT: To get the above information, and consider sending a document to the printer I found, took me approx 20mins from finding the thread. Scary what you can do with these computer-thingy-ma-doo-dahs isn't it? :) Oh, and I'd better clarify, I just thought about sending a random picture from the internet with the words "You've been a bit silly."

EDIT2: Supprisingly, having a little read around the t'inter-web... most people seem to be taking this the way that the .Org have. ie, BNP aren't fantastic, and we don't really like them, but this information shouldn't be made public. I'm genuinely shocked that I've read very few "pitchfork" comments!!

Paul the 6th 19-11-08 02:54 PM

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you could play with their head abit maybe? Picture of hitler and underneath "You silly ****, you've dropped us all in it"

Baph 19-11-08 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul the 6th (Post 1690420)
you could play with their head abit maybe? Picture of hitler and underneath "You silly ****, you've dropped us all in it"

Not worth the potential comeback on me. :)

Paul the 6th 19-11-08 03:23 PM

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still, it would be funny, wouldnt it

ArtyLady 19-11-08 03:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Baph (Post 1690411)
My instinct was to take this conversation to PM, but I see no real reason to...

The basis of the information comes from the site hosting the list. A hop skip & a jump from there reveals the person's home IP address (as you stated "numpty," think their personal address on the internet).

They do have a firewall, however, as I stated, firewalking is possible. This isn't the art of walking barefoot over hot embers. :lol: Firewalking in IT terms, is about seeing what's behind the firewall, and in most instances, accessing it despite the firewall being there.

Needless to say, but their firewall isn't exactly amazingly secure.

So firewalls dont really work then? :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baph (Post 1690411)

EDIT: To get the above information, and consider sending a document to the printer I found, took me approx 20mins from finding the thread. Scary what you can do with these computer-thingy-ma-doo-dahs isn't it? :) Oh, and I'd better clarify, I just thought about sending a random picture from the internet with the words "You've been a bit silly."

EDIT2: Supprisingly, having a little read around the t'inter-web... most people seem to be taking this the way that the .Org have. ie, BNP aren't fantastic, and we don't really like them, but this information shouldn't be made public. I'm genuinely shocked that I've read very few "pitchfork" comments!!

You sound like 007 to me :lol: It is scary when I dont really understand it however hard I try! makes me want to give up online banking and shopping (not that ive got any money) :(

Im not really into politics so dont really know much about this party, but if they're legal then why are people not allowed to belong? :confused:

Grinch 19-11-08 03:42 PM

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Firewalls do work, but ports are open through the firewall. If its set-up incorrectly then you can potentially get in through those ports. Its like leaving the front door locked but leaving a bedroom window open. Find a ladder then you can get it.

yorkie_chris 19-11-08 03:43 PM

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Firewalls are very dependant on setup. The sort of thing that muppets buy from PC world are a placebo... as a pro-geek like baph can obviously get through in 2 minutes flat.

BNP is a political party, with some controversial policies, and some silly ones, more of a pressure group really. But it's not politically acceptable to be a member, comrade.

fizzwheel 19-11-08 03:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtyLady (Post 1690471)
So firewalls dont really work then? :confused:

They do, but the security of the firewall is all down to how well the firewall was setup by the person doing it. I.e it was setup by me, you'd get through it because its not my area of expertise, but if setup properly then yes they do work.

Also alot of managers don't "get" I.T. / Internet security and they dont put much focus on it until after they've been hacked that is...

hob 19-11-08 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 1690475)
Firewalls are very dependant on setup. The sort of thing that muppets buy from PC world are a placebo... as a pro-geek like baph can obviously get through in 2 minutes flat.

Soft or hard firewalls?

ArtyLady 19-11-08 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 1690475)
Firewalls are very dependant on setup. The sort of thing that muppets buy from PC world are a placebo... as a pro-geek like baph can obviously get through in 2 minutes flat.

Eeeek! you saying my Norton security isn't worth the subscription fee I part with annually?


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