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Riding up past asda tonight into brighouse (big hill) i got to the top and was going slow due to not having a lot of fuel (wanted to get to shell to treat it to some potimax) anyhow all of a sudden BANG looked down and the chains come off. Balls!!!! now at this point ive also discovered that the front braked stuck on! great stuff. So ive just pushed my bike the best part of 5 miles home and im a little sweaty and ****ed! So having a look the chains snapped!!! also theres nothing to the clutch (feels loose) Sooooooo Any ideas on how to get it fixed? YC? Was really looking forward to a new years day rideout :( Feel ****ed off! Even have half day tomorrow! big wobbily donkey ****! |
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Well, no clutch suggests the flailing chaing took out the worm drive that operates the clutch plates. Get the front sprocket cover off (3 x 8mm bolts I think, or is it 10mm?) and have a look.
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Having the chain flapping around is likely to of damaged things a little. Suspect the worm drive as Matt suggests, but also check the engine casing as this could of been cracked. Check the oil level before you think about starting the bike too, just in case.
To get it running again, sort the clutch (remove front sprocket cover - 3 bolts on a pointy) to look for damage, repair what you see. Then replace the chain (and might as well do the sprockets too). Think yourself lucky, as flapping chains have destroyed sprocket covers before now, and ripped through trouser legs etc! :shock: |
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feck. its snapped the work drive thingy.
is this an easy thing to replace? I can see ££ signs in YC's eyes:) |
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The worm drive is easy to replace, again, talking from experience of pointies, you're looking at 2 bolts to remove it. Then detach the clutch cable, and bin the worm drive.
Fitting is reverse of that, but also ensuring the adjuster & lock nut is ok as per the Gospel of Mr. Squid (clutch adjustment sermon). Check the push-rod (metal bar at the back of the worm drive) as well for damage, including bending. |
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cool.
wheres the best place to get one from? Also how would you fit a chain without a chain riviting tool? |
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As for fitting a chain without a chain riveter, well, you don't really. :) An impact gun comes in handy for the front sprocket too, but it's essential. Take it to a garage. If I buy a chain & sprocket set, it costs something around £100. My 'local' place then charges £25 to fit said kit. :) |
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couple of pics. you can see the snapped link in one and its damaged the thread on the rear sprocket.
Im starting to think im a lucky boy actually. I would have normally be caining it up there. Might not have come off so lightly. |
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Lucky it didn't go through the cases or your leg.
Easy enough to sort. www.bandcexpress.co.uk are good for C+S kits, use tsubaki O ring chain and JT sprockets. |
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Done similar, overtaking at 90mph up a hill on the M62. The chain didn't snap but it came off the sprockets. I knew it was loose - didn't think it was that loose :eek:. I was just about to get it serviced so hadn't adjusted it. Spent 4 hours waiting for the AA man - fortunately it was the middle of summer so I roasted rather than froze.
On a pointy there's some electrical cables down there, which were cut by the chain. The dealer who repaired it said there was only just enough cable left to solder a repair to. And it took out the clutch bits and pieces previously mentioned too. Large repair bill but you expect that from dealers. |
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ok cool.
ive just had alook at those chains and the one i have says 527 on it. and rl. Those chains seem to be in 520 and 530. Am i right in presuming this is the length? So i need the 530 one right? Would anyone care to post the link for the on they think i need? Also seeing as its done under 1400 miles do you think i should still replace it as a set? if its like 20 quid more im thinking it might be an idea so at least i know ive got something decent on there? Lastly the nut on the rear sprocket took a battering. is this replaceable or is it part of the hub? |
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ok lookin like 525.
so any ideas what the diff s between an economy and oring chain? |
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Hi, i have worm gear and push rod, do you need them.
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You may be alright in replacing just the chain, but inspect the sprockets for damage. If in doubt, replace as a set. The nut on the sprocket is replacable; the stud part might be a differant story, I'm not sure!
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The stud for the rear sprocket is indeed replacable, just pull the sprocket carrier off the wheel and you'll see it from the inside |
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I had my chain snap on my Triumph, smashed a big hole in the crankcase, nasty job to repair, my mate had to weld a new piece into the hole. (Lucky he's a shipyard plater!)
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ok im looking at a kit. (being on the safe side)
http://www.bandcexpress.co.uk/cgi-bi...?cat=KITS-ROAD any ideas which one to go for? are those renthal ones worth the money? btw its sat outside in all weathers so i want something to cope with that. |
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Don't bother with Renthal stuff as hardened steel one's last as long as you chain will and you will be replacing them both at the same time next time.
Bought myself a new worm drive (£30) from Powersport in Bradford just before crimbo as some of my ball bearings have gone missing from mine, I just need to pick it up now. Also if you need any parts they can order them in for you there (ie Sprocket nut and stud) I sort of cheat when fitting chains that need rivits. I cut the chain down etc with my dremmel and then squash the plate on with a small metal g clamp and mini socket, then to rivet it I use a small drift or similar to flange out the pins. I have done my chain 3 times like this and it's been fine. But don't take my word on this!!! Also if you need a portable Impact Wrench Santa brought me one early as the split link snapped on my chain in November and I picked myself up the socket to fit the front sprocket. Your only down the road so if you need that I can pop down!!! Just don't know where you live!!!. PM me if you need |
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ok gone for the gold x ring chain and steel sprockets.
104 quid. ouch!!!! |
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Yeah that sounds about right mate. You should be fine with those.
Offer still stands if you need the tools. |
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what does that work drive include? it appears to have sheared the bar that does to the clutch on mine. Is that included or are there other bits as well?
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cheers chap. ive asked chris (yc) to have a look at it for me. So ill see how it goes after he sucks air though his teeth and tells me what a tit i am :) |
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The work/worm drive is the part that actually pushes the rod through your casing.
If it's just the rod you can buy that seperate. The work drive has two main parts (one which your clutch cable is attached to and another part which it rotates inside) One of the pieces has grooves in and the other has ball bearings (which can fall out when you remove the drive) this causes the drive to rotate and push the rod when the lever is pulled. I think that makes sense? |
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I only know this stuff from taking it in pieces and taking a look, sometimes it's the best way to learn.
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You want 525 and IIRC 110 links, S model uses 108 links as slightly different final drive.
That stud is replaceable by suzuki, but chances are we'll be able to salvage it. Gold and X ring is IMO a bit of a gimmick. |
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Your right Chris but it woudln't really go with your bike? :P only messing mate
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Actually my chain is nice and clean and shiny. :-P
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It might be due to your Scottoiler working, but when they say route the feeding tube away from places where it can snag I didn't think they meant leave it out in mid air?
I still need to get that fixing kit for mine. |
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Simple logic, oil is here... needs to be here... Pipe follows direct route!
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Do you think its worth contacting the chain manufacturer about this?
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Yes. What make is it?
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not too sure. is there a definitive way to find out?
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Markings on plates? You say it's only 1000 mile old, who fitted it?
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Dodgy dave :) or whatever his name is...
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While I'm not for slandering on the net without experience of my own, suffice to say he does not have the best of reputations.
Added to the fact that when I first worked on your bike there were several stripped threads, and the airbox was not attatched to one of the carbs... It may be worth a try giving him a call, however I would not bank on the chain being a new one, or getting any manner of free replacement. |
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Just got off the phone to him.
iris chain. he suggested it may be badly adjusted and if i wanted something sorting out to pop downa nd see him. tbh im cutting my losses as ive got a new chain on the way. He said it was very unusual and had not heard of one of them going before. to be fair he was very nice about it. Ill try iris and see what they say. |
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Iris chains? All becomes clear....
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