Hard nosed b*stard
 

Me, that is!

If people cannot get to work because they claim to be snowed in, am I right to deduct a day's pay?

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if you want

i think the better option would be to request people either make up the time or take it as holiday

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You're running a business........so from you point of view I would say yes.

I have worked from home two days this week because of the snow. I set off at 7 this morning and by 9 had done 2 miles...........I live 18 miles from work.

There is no trains, no buses (they were stuck in the same traffic anyway) and no other option for getting to work short of walking.

The problem is different people have different circumstances, some people are lazy and cant be arsed.......and some genuinely would struggle to get to work.

I offered to take today as holiday because I'm running out of work to do at home but my boss declined......he is not a partner though so does not loss money from non profitable days.

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Yes, agreed, but if they make it clear that they think it's my loss? Incidentally I've checked that the bus service is running.

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also it's not like we weren't all giving plenty of warning. prior arrangements should have been made, and as you say the buses were running so if they claim its your loss they're skating on thin ice to be honest

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problem of today is, everyone lives far away from where they work. In tha 'good old days' everybody lived within walking distance of their job, or one bus journey.

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plus you obviously made it in Ed, or you'd not be posting on here!!!

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Dizz - this person lives out in the south Shropshire hills but it is a direct bus service.

The reason why it has irritated me is that everyone else has made an effort to get in - and some have had the same problems - but this person has not.

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yes----------------hard nosed and Scottish

Although we did tell our drivers not to bother as it is cheaper to pay a days wages than have a truck off the road being inspected and repaired. Apart from that they now have to do 5days work in 4 days----swings and roundabouts.
If the offending party does the same work in the ensuing days by staying for an extra hour to cover the shortfall,I think would be a fair outcome for both parties

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first the bins...


now he's docking wages



eeeeexcellent


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We've had two days off this week because of snow and ice. The first, we came in, and went home because we couldnt get on with anything (we work outside). We wont get paid for that, which is annoying butfair enough. The second day we were told to stay at home, so I expect to be paid.

I would offer them the choice of having it as a holiday day or unpaid.

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hmmmmmm I think its a case of Ican'tbearseditis then;)

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Ok, workers may be able to get into work (eventually), but what happens if the snow continues and they can't get home again?

I wouldn't want to force anybody I was responsible for to do something potentially dangerous even, in extreme cases fatal, just for a non essential job.

Dock em a days holiday Ed.

Incidentally, my street is full of cars, when it would be virtually deserted on a weekday. It's like a Sunday out there. :cool:

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I agree with keithd, ask them to make up the time or take as holiday. I've not made it in today for the first time this week but spoke to my boss and he couldn't get in either (we catch the same train). My boss doesn't care cos I'm paid daily anyway. Jobs round the house for me today!

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Ahhh, now I was going to say not fair to deduct pay, until you said that everyone else had got in. That's different, I know how I would feel if I'd made the effort and someone didn't and they didn't either lose a days pay or a days holiday.
I think you have to give them the option, but they need to lose something in fairness to the others.



Now I'm lucky, 7 min walk to work, but as the school is closed I'm working from home as able to log on! Can get loads done without being disturbed, except by the .org!!
Sometimes it's great working in a school!

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That would be what I'd ask my employeer if I could do. Thing is, whilst the main roads might be clear the side roads havent been. On tuesday when we had all the snow here, the only car that moved was our 4 x 4 nobody even bothered trying to get out. But when I went for a walk 200 or 300 metres away the main road through Yeovil was open and had no snow on it, just getting out to it was a nightmare. The when Liz did get out onto the A303 it wasnt gritted and she said getting to work was a nightmare.

Yesterday she collected a colleague from her house as she coudnt even get her car off her drive...

Mind you if the buses are running then maybe you are not...

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poor Melody had this on monday night. She'd done a twelve hour shift, and the hospital car park was completely filled, her car wasn't even going to think about going anywhere. I still don't know if she went home or stayed in the hospital and did a rollover shift.

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Note to self, never apply for a job with Ed! :D:D

Mr Lou has walked to work, has taken him 2 hours to walk, but he's made it.

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I'm not that bad!!! Yesterday's explosion was over my email asking the team to take staggered lunchbreaks so as to ensure we have enough people to answer the phone, as usually there's a 1 o'clock stampede:rolleyes:

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Ed

When I was an apprentice, we had one lad who would regularly phone in in winter to say he was snowed in. After a while of this, the training officer went out to check on Pilky "snowed in".

He did manage to make it through to Pilky farm, unfortunately he did manage to write off a company car getting there and had to walk 3 miles on the moors to get to the nearest house (Pilkys).

His family were good enough to put him up overnight until the snow ploughs were able to break through next day. After that it was accepted that if Pilky said he was snowed in. He was.

Incidentally my company has a bad weather policy. We do not expect people to travel to meetings etc away from their normal place of work if the government advice is not to drive in that area. We will allow 30 minutes late, and to leave early without loss. OR for people who have the ability to work from home.

We expect staff who are fit and able to be prepared to walk upto 2 miles in order to get into work .

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Crikey they last out a while! I've usually finished my lunch by 12:01!

Be fair to them Ed, it doesn't seem like you've got your head down this morning :-dd

:-D

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IT policy clearly isnt enforced

lol

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As long as they have a break then not a lot to moan about! When I worked for the Beeb we had to stagger lunches, at first took it in turns for who went at 12 and who went at 1, in the end we agreed that we preferred a set time, so one group stuck with the 12 and one with the 1 o'clock.
I'm now lucky if I ever manage to get a lunch break.

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Tim Wilky's company seem to have the right idea.

I got docked a days wages last year even though I rang in in plenty of time to ask for a days holiday. I deemed it imprudent to drive in those conditions. I only work in a warehouse ffs.

Aren't people being advised not to travel unless absolutely neccessary?

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I'm with you Ed.

I think the option of making up the time or a days holiday is fair enough. I guess it comes down to the working relationship you have with this person. For somebody who is otherwise hard working, doesnt complain about the odd half hour extra work and honest I would give them the benefit of the doubt and let it go.

If not, the option of making up time or a holiday. Its only fair.

I have a pretty good working relationship at work, I often go out of my way to do things that technically I dont have to. The odd late bit of work, meeting at lunch time etc. For that I get flexibility and trust, I can take a couple of hours to see my kids Christmas carol concert etc without having to claim a holiday.

It works well for me and I feel like an adult, not a school kid. I think they call it work/life balance these days :-)

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I say don't pay them, there is no such thing as being snowed in.

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Absolutely not Ed! As an employer it is your risk if people are not able to get to work. It's your fault for employing someone who lives out in the sticks & you chose not to provide accommodation in a flat above the office ;) If they were on a contract that you paid them the hours worked then that would be different.

Take my example on Monday, there was literally 12 inches of snow outside my house (35 miles from the office) so I couldn't ride & the Police had closed the slip road to the main trunk road to London so I walked for an hour & half to the train station to find that there were no trains running (bloody local radio couldn't even report that :roll: & the internet was so overloaded I couldn't get onto National rail.com)
So I would say I made sufficient effort to get to work & I would not be willing to even take that day as holiday nor be expected to make up the time. Plus you may know that no a single bus ran that morning in London

On the other hand if the person in question clearly made insufficient effort to get into work you can do what you like with him - dock a days holiday/wages or fire him for lying to you depending on how much you rely on him.

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True, someone ffrom Guy's hospital walked 18 miles in the snow to get to work :shock:

But Feck that ;)

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I'd say offer them the alternative; lose a days annual leave or take it as unpaid. If there is public transport available and it is not unreasonable to get to, then it should be used.

As people probably know, I get the train into work everyday rather than drive or ride the 50+ mile round trip. Everyday this week the train has been loads quieter than usual and I can't understand it; if people don't want to drive, then surely it ought to be busier with people using alternatives to get to work. I had to walk down steep, unlit country lanes to get to the station which is about 1 1/2 miles from my house in up to a foot of snow on Tuesday, and I was still on time.

If I was being lazy and couldn't be bothered to go to work, I'd not have been in this week, as there is still 6 inches of snow down the lane to my house, so no way of getting my car out.

[When I was a lad mode on] People today just won't put the effort in...:rolleyes: [When I was a lad mode off]

Re: Hard nosed b*stard
 

You'll all be delighted to hear that said person has just arrived:cheers:

I posted originally immediately after I called the person concerned, so it was hardly a mammoth struggle to get in.

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Hope you gave them a bollocking for beibng late. :p

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wonder how much compo he'll get when he slips on the pavement outside or crashes his car going home this evening when it's all frozen solid and gone dark?:mrgreen:

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When I worked at Lotus (about 8 miles from Norwich) a couple of years ago we had people claiming they were snowed in who lived in Norwich yet two contractors who travelled from Colchester and Chelmsford everyday still made it in. Those that "couldn't" make it in were made to look very silly the next day!

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As long as it doesn't happen in my office, that's their problem:mrgreen:

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I used to work about 25 miles from where I lived last time we had much snow in Leeds, about 1998/9 iirc. I got into work 30 mins late having driven, and bet people who lived less than a mile away by over an hour. :rolleyes:

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Better turn the heating on then Ed. :p

See. you've given yourself an ulcer over nothing. :smt019

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until he claims he was "instructed" to come to work despite weather warnings...

the HSE inspector probably won't like the piles of flammable waste paper appearing next to the desks either;)

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Our boss doesn't do mercy, everyone who took a day off either took it as holiday pay or unpaid. My manager didn't come in from huddersfield on the 3rd and he got a rollocking. Tough love, everything we do we get a rollocking for (even if it was nothing to do with us) yet we still work are arses off.

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Good for him/her.

People moan the country comes to a stand because of the snow, I wonder if the majority of these people are now sat at home because of a little snow???

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+1 this is turning into a nanny state (if we arent already there!). What if it rains and they get wet, OMG!