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GeneticBubble 16-03-09 07:26 PM

Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
straight to the point my bike has exhausts which say for race use only on them and they have no baffles, just wondering what sort of trouble would i get into if pulled over? plus would having baffles in make them any less illegal or would i still be screwed?

also what trouble do you get in for having a small number plate? :smt017

kwak zzr 16-03-09 07:31 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
a small plate is £30 fine and a rectification notice, your exhausts shouldnt be any problem til mot time, if you can polish the "not for road use" off it may even pass with it on.

charris 16-03-09 07:31 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Hanging!

New legislation came in just yesterday, so I fear you may be out of luck!:rolleyes:

There is no definate answer, depends who stops you, why, and what sorta mood they're in.

However im sure there is gunna be lots of more helpful answers below.

BanditPat 16-03-09 07:31 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
3 points and a 60 quid fine for the exhaust and then the same for the small plate. You can buy plates with the BSAU number or what ever it is from ebay for your can though. and then polish off the "not"

GeneticBubble 16-03-09 07:34 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
just a thought would i get away with carrying a normal number plate in my bag and claiming that i just bought it? lol would be cheeky i know but just a thought.

kwak zzr 16-03-09 07:34 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
points for a zorst or plate? i dont think so.

BanditPat 16-03-09 07:37 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwak zzr (Post 1824346)
points for a zorst or plate? i dont think so.

I know a guy that got done for it a couple of weeks back. 6 fresh points so you might not "think" so but amazingly it does happen

BigFootIsBlurry 16-03-09 07:37 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwak zzr (Post 1824346)
points for a zorst or plate? i dont think so.

I didnt think it was points either, a fine or a telling off, depends on who pulls you.

GeneticBubble 16-03-09 07:38 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
i suppose aslong as the plates fine and im not making excessive noise past police cars i should be fine right?

kwak zzr 16-03-09 07:39 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
ive been stopped twice for plates with just a slap on the wrist, once for the zorst again just a telling :) was you in north wales by any chance?

kwak zzr 16-03-09 07:40 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneticBubble (Post 1824355)
i suppose aslong as the plates fine and im not making excessive noise past police cars i should be fine right?


well the first thing ppl do with a sv is bin the standard can for a race jobbie.

BanditPat 16-03-09 07:42 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwak zzr (Post 1824357)
ive been stopped twice for plates with just a slap on the wrist, once for the zorst again just a telling :) was you in north wales by any chance?

I think they may have been actually, or on their way back at least ;-)

Swin 16-03-09 07:44 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Can't seem to find any recent legislation, but a Thames Valley MAG newsletter says that if you can get away with it fine, but if the law offer you a "retraction notice" then take it and get a new pipe!

G 16-03-09 07:46 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
You dont get points just for a small plate or exhaust....ANYWHERE;)

kwak zzr 16-03-09 07:47 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by G (Post 1824369)
You dont get points just for a small plate or exhaust....ANYWHERE;)

gonna say, ive never known it.

bris 16-03-09 07:51 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
My bike passed with a "not for road use" exhaust on it 11 months ago. It got one of them yellow advisory notices about being a bit noisy but that was it. Apparantly it's not the Mot guys job to police the can just his job to make sure the emmisions and noise lever are ok. I am going to need an mot in April so will take the last report with me and by any luck hope that the next guy shares his views.
I think the problem would be the insurance would be voided though so when the renewal comes through I will ask if it can be insured with this exhaust.

BanditPat 16-03-09 07:51 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by G (Post 1824369)
You dont get points just for a small plate or exhaust....ANYWHERE;)

You would obviously know best so i'll sit out and when you get your points and fine from a copper with his head up his own **** i'll be sitting here ready to say i told you so

bris 16-03-09 08:13 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BanditPat (Post 1824382)
You would obviously know best so i'll sit out and when you get your points and fine from a copper with his head up his own **** i'll be sitting here ready to say i told you so

You do NOT get points for number plate or exhaust offences, what ever he got points for it was not that. The usual way to deal with it is a rectification notice (with or without a FPN depending on the copper) or for repeat offenders a prosecution leading to a greater fine.

gettin2dizzy 16-03-09 08:18 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
Never been pulled myself, and mine makes a frickin' loud noise :thumbsup:

Filtered past about 3 cop cars today too :)

bris 16-03-09 08:20 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
Just found this from an official site.
Will I get points on my licence for a naughty number plate?

No. The maximum fine is £1,000. But the actual registration mark can be withdrawn by the DVLA as well, which then makes the bike illegal for road use.

dizzyblonde 16-03-09 08:24 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
Had a 'not for road use can' on one of mine since year dot, its passed every one of its MOTs with it on, so thats errrrr five?
Im Indoors was once stopped by the police with it on, it was late at night so obviously wanted to check his details....he was sent on his way with ''by the way, nice can ;-)''

kwak zzr 16-03-09 08:25 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
a can aint causing any harm is it.

kitkat 16-03-09 08:34 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
ive got illegal cans on raptor and its very noisy. been pulled over by police when on a group rideout for a wee chat. police man advised us to keep revs down thru towns and villages and pointed out that noisy cans enable them to lie in wait. wee number plates are a different matter. police man said if it was letter box style he would fine as it makes it difficult to be read and therefore you must be doing something bad. lol. he was a nice guy. Its a risk you take. just dont take it in Wales

GeneticBubble 16-03-09 08:39 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
cool thanks for your wisdom everyone i will fit the standard number plate, but keep my exhausts. just have to make sure the mot people are ok with them

ranathari 16-03-09 08:42 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwak zzr (Post 1824337)
your exhausts shouldnt be any problem til mot time, if you can polish the "not for road use" off it may even pass with it on.

Do not do this unless you are completely stupid. Polishing off the "not for road use" disclaimer turns a construction and use offence into a dishonesty one, which is legally more serious.

dizzyblonde 16-03-09 08:45 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kitkat (Post 1824452)
ive got illegal cans on raptor and its very noisy. been pulled over by police when on a group rideout for a wee chat. police man advised us to keep revs down thru towns and villages and pointed out that noisy cans enable them to lie in wait. Its a risk you take. just dont take it in Wales


Im Indoors wouldn't dare go back to Wales on the Raptor, he left them all with a headache last time:smt081

Ed 16-03-09 08:58 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
I've had my can on for a year and not been tugged so far. Been plenty of opportunity. Even in north Wales.

kwak zzr 16-03-09 09:00 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ranathari (Post 1824466)
Do not do this unless you are completely stupid.


calling me stupid?:smt017

G 16-03-09 09:04 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
I was followed so many times on sunday with noisey can and tiny plate and didnt get tugged at all thankfully.....even by the apparently terrorist police in matlock.

madness 16-03-09 09:09 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwak zzr (Post 1824438)
a can aint causing any harm is it.

A mate of mine used to have a very loud baffleless microns on his RD125.

Though he never got done by the police, he did get a good hiding from one of his neighbours for keep waking his young baby! So technically having a loud exhaust can do some harm! ;)

kwak zzr 16-03-09 09:11 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
my sv1000s with microns was loud, i did think that when i go work at 5:30am i might get my head caved in one day.

ranathari 16-03-09 09:13 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwak zzr (Post 1824525)
calling me stupid?:smt017

You're advocating doing something that's classified as perverting the course of justice and is way more serious than just getting a £30 fine.

If you want to use an exhaust that's not road legal, fine, just have the balls to own up to it rather than trying to hide it.

kwak zzr 16-03-09 09:16 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
i hope u never go above 30 in built up areas.

Sally 16-03-09 09:18 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ranathari (Post 1824564)
You're advocating doing something that's classified as perverting the course of justice and is way more serious than just getting a £30 fine.

If you want to use an exhaust that's not road legal, fine, just have the balls to own up to it rather than trying to hide it.

Why?
The only way you're peverting the courts of justice if you own up to polishing it off..
Which isn't the greatest idea...

madness 16-03-09 09:18 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwak zzr (Post 1824573)
i hope u never go above 30 in built up areas.

Why? Do you?

kwak zzr 16-03-09 09:21 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
NOPE never :)

ranathari 16-03-09 09:22 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saoralba (Post 1824579)
Why?
The only way you're peverting the courts of justice if you own up to polishing it off..
Which isn't the greatest idea...

What? No. You don't have to admit to it to be found guilty of it otherwise no-one would ever be convicted for perverting the course of justice.

My point is that people should be aware that polishing off "not for road use" marks is potentially more dangerous than just leaving them on and hoping you don't get pulled by the police. Advocating removing them without making clear what the consequences could be is just stupid.

fizzwheel 16-03-09 09:22 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saoralba (Post 1824579)
The only way you're peverting the courts of justice if you own up to polishing it off..

Or they can prove that you did polish it off.

I dont know where or when I read it, or even if its true, but allegedy the police take a very dim view of removing "not for road use" or "race use only" markings from cans.

Baph 16-03-09 09:22 PM

Re: What the worst that can happen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwak zzr (Post 1824357)
ive been stopped twice for plates with just a slap on the wrist, once for the zorst again just a telling :) was you in north wales by any chance?

I've been stopped more times than I care to think about.

Only twice have I had anything said about the plate. Once was whilst stopped at an accident, and nothing was said other than "small plate on that bike.."

The other time was after being stopped for crossing a solid white line. Neither time there was nothing said about the loud can (nor the excessive speed the latter time), and when stopped for white lining, the copper was sat about 3ft from my exhaust doing 50mph.

kwak zzr 16-03-09 09:25 PM

Re: Will I get nicked for a non-legal can?
 
remember those bsi engraved badges you could stick to your can? if it had bsi written on it then it made it bsi approved altho the badges looked stupid and old bill and mot stations knew they were fake? explain that then.


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